Sorry, consider most prog albums(DSOTM, Wish You Were Here, Moving Pictures, Ok Computer).

ethan got me into emo

You think Radiohead is prog?

Prog-metal if you want to be specific, like Dream Theater or Tool.

Yep, I think Radiohead is prog, even if Thom Yorke would like to claim otherwise.

They do have a bit of an alt rock 'sound' at times I guess - it's hard to explain, but they have the kind of features which appeal to people who like alt rock too.

So with the complexity/variation of prog and the ability to meet the ideals of alt rock fans, they have a pretty large fanbase. It helps that they simply kick ass too. :D

Are you sure that wasn't me?

And your complaints of MB are very valid, especially since you've been trying to improve it in that year we haven't seen your face.

Radiohead isn't metal, and when did I say I wasn't consider Pink Floyd? They're on the pending list, i've been gone all week christ.

BIASED OPINION WHA!?


Sorry but I had to say it.

You kinda' threw me off with your DSOTM bashing. I won't respond to the Radiohead comment, just to keep things from going eve more off-topic. At this point it probably doesn't matter. Now for some smilies:
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Nope, it was Crowquill. Read starting from this: (link)

>Maybe you didn't read my post properly, did I say you hated Metallica? No I just think you're boasting the same 'typical METALLICA SUX crap metal fans >seem to constantly bring up' in regards to their musicianship.

Whether my complaints are valid and whether I've tried to improve MB are two different things. Yes, my complaints are valid. And no, I can't do anything to improve MB because I have no power to do that, in the same way that I can't lower unemployment rates. I can't change how other people act.


You disown practically anything attached to the title 'metal' or 'prog' - it seems like you hold a grudge against most music that involves any kind of technical skill. I think it's more the fact that you're only open to one idealised type of music. Sorry if this sounds stupid because it is hard to explain so I'll give an example. I like thrash metal - I find it to be a fairly consistent genre and while I listen to it because I like the musicianship and energy etc. I doubt I'll ever consider a thrash metal band to be one of my favourite bands ever. This is because I am open to the ideals of thrash, but most thrash bands just aren't superior enough for me to consider them my favourite band - they don't have my preferred ideals.

What I'm saying is, I guess you set your ideals more by lyrics, vocals and a certain type of instrumentation which you find to carry emotion. If the instrumentation is technical, you are less likely to judge it as emotive. While my preferred ideals tend to lie in atmosphere and progression, my ideals are open so I can enjoy many types of music. Here are a few examples of musical ideals based on genres:

Prog rock = Progression, songwriting instrumentation, technical instrumentation, atmosphere
Punk rock / thrash metal = Immediate catchiness (opposite to progression), riff dependent, energy
Jazz = Songwriting instrumentation, Theory instrumentation, technical instrumentation
Post rock = Atmosphere, progression
Folk = Lyrics, acoustic instrumentation

Rather than saying someone is biased towards a genre, sometimes it's better to say their musical ideals fit certain genres. Of course, these are only ideals and there are thrash metal bands with progression, jazz which focusses more on immediate catchiness and folk which uses electric instruments.



If you want I'll see if I can find any examples later on. I'm a bit busy with studying right now.

:why this:

You can't change MB, and apparently you can't be bothered to show up, but you can complain? Wrong.

yeah dude! yuo gotta give effort!!!!

still high?

*shrugs*

What do you mean I can't be bothered to show up? What is that supposed to mean?

All things change, it's all that is certain

I wouldn't say Ethan's close-minded when it comes to genres, I mean as long as you don't go round going 'that's **** because i don't like it' then everyone is entitled to have their own particular taste in music, why the hell should it be his job to love every genre? i hate some genres....regardless of if there are certain bands i like from them the general quality of music from certain genres of music i can't personally stand. I'd hardly judge Crowquill on that.
I've not in my entire time here seen him be close-minded in saying you're **** because you have a different taste in music to me, apart from the first post i made.....but that was a long time ago!
I geniunely think if it weren't for Crowquill this place would have died out by now and i'd have stolen all the members for my forum-making obsession o.o

When's this thread gonna be locked?

I know I technically have no right to be calling you out on this, but if you're going to give Ethan a hard time, how can you not consider anything of this your own biased opinion? That was basically just a non-insightful, slanted rant of Ethan's taste in music and genre standards.

I'm not ranting about it - consider it my analysis. I'm not trying to be hard on him. Most of the stuff you bolded is factual - it is a fact that post rock appeals more to people who prefer atmosphere in music. And it is no secret that Crowquill doesn't tend to like most music with technical skill - it's not my biased opinion.

I think it's quite insightful. Most of the arguments here revolve around genres, but nobody actually thinks what appeals to members about those genres. Whether it's the atmosphere, technicality etc... Surely that would be of interest on a music board?

And there's nothing biased about me liking thrash metal, but not considering those bands my favourite ever. Sure it might be biased in the traditional idea that having any sort of opinion makes you biased - that's unavoidable. But it's not biased in the sense that I judge it more/less harshly in certain areas or I constantly slag it off when arguing with another member... E.g. disliking Rush is an opinion with an inevitable bias. Admitting Geddy Lee is a good musician despite disliking Rush means you're not biased in general.

And if it's any consolation, I think Crowquill should remain as a mod - I just think he needs to be more impartial. I'm not saying 'ZOMG listen to more genres'... Being unbiased doesn't mean you have to listen to every genre in existence. And I'm hoping the 'Metallica sux' thing was a one-off on his part rather than the way he always argues.

People have opinions and it's okay to discuss them but don't consider it an affront to the board when a mod actually says something that may upset people. It's ridiculous to think that someone could say something that everyone would agree with.

Words like "technical" and "skill" are truly subjective. Dream Theatre and Dragonforce can jack off their guitars all day and call them rock operas and one person could consider it superior and the other would say it was just a bunch of dudes tremolo picking on scales with some random sweeps thrown in. It's not impossible to evoke emotion and play a technical riff at the same time. Many screamo/emo or hardcore bands have some pretty impressive guitarists. An unrelated example could be a musician such as SRV, but even then someone could get nothing out of his playing while I see it as highly involved emotionally.

It could be dumb to try and place only specific ideals into genres and say bands in said genres must have some or even any of them to qualify in that genre.

*has been hypnotized by the above avatar*......****ing cats.

I agree. And SRV can be quite technical while evoking emotion at the same time.

But the thing is, I don't think that it is really subjective as to whether a band has technical skill - Yngwie Malmsteen is undoubtedly technically skilled. What is subjective is whether you consider technical skill important.

I brought that up in the first place, because I think Crowquill tends to judge anything technical more harshly for whatever reasons. That's not to say that he doesn't like anything which is technical, but I think he's biased against music with high technical skill so it needs to be extra-special for him to like it; i.e. the other ideals of that type of music must appeal to him greatly.


If you read my original post, I said it was a general guideline. Not all of those ideals are set in stone for every band in the genre. And in the same way, you don't have to agree with all those ideals to like a genre. I like prog, but I don't agree with the 'technical skill' ideal.