Crowquills Mod status.
 

I've discussed this with Ethan already. He's giving me the ok to make this thread.

I really think Crowquills status as a moderator should be called into question.

I may not display model behavior myself a lot of times. But I am not a mod, nor am I qualified to be one nor should I ever be one.

My beef here is, I don't see how Crowquill is qualified in anyway.

You can say "oh no, he does a nice job, when someone posts something very offensive or obscene, he deletes it, as well as any threads that should be deleted". But thats only part of what the qualifications for being a mod should be. Theres an example that should be made as well. And I don't see Ethan making any real positive example.

I get into many arguments, its only expected for someone like myself. But I do my best to use facts to back my claims. I think its something that should be required of anyone who insists in getting into big arguments. Thing is, I have almost never seen an example of Ethan doing this, and for someone like him who does nothing but get into big arguments, that is a problem. For a mod, he argues with the same attitude and approach of the average n00b, to some extent even that of a troll. Mods should display some kind of maturity. Something I never see Ethan doing. He makes a bad example. And if I didn't know any better, the reason there are so many bad apples here starting lame arguments and without trying to express their opinions in an acceptible way and without any kind of validation to back them up, its because they see guys like Ethan and think, "If a mod can act this way, why can't I?"

I also see a double standard in what is considered name calling, this is a guy who called me a fascist because I support the war in Iraq. I fail to understand how the admins can call this acceptible behavior for a moderator.

I love when people take internet forum status so seriously.

word.

I don't seem to notice, or mind, rather. I could give a **** less who's a mod as long as they aren't banning people for poor reasons.

And this is the problem. MB should care a little bit about who they appoint as mods.

If theres no set of standards, then just about anyone can become a mod.

Music Banter's one of the biggest music forum on the internet. I like to think this is because the mods aren't absolute stiffs.

I'm not requesting mods that are stiffs. Just mods that don't consistantly say stuff that you would expect from an 8 year old troll.

ayo, why is there 15000 members but noone aint postin **** son?

an moderation is ***.

Well. If MB insists on having mods, they shouldn't be doing a half assed job.

Either have mods that are actually responsable or have no mods at all.

Censorship FTL

I'm not trying to censor Ethans opinions. If that were the case I would be asking to have him banned.

For a moderator to intentionally start flame wars at the single mention of a band he dosen't like and to do it all the time is unacceptible, plain and simple

But it's a free and (somewhat) open forum, and I guess I just don't see why he should have that taken away from him just because he's a mod. He's the most active member I can think of and sometimes says some enjoyable stuff. Have any actual problems come up with his status? Has he abused it in anyway?

He hasn't banned anyone for an inappropiate reason that I know of, I'll give him that.

But I still think mods should set an example, if you're gonna act as a forums moral police, than you of all people should at least set some kind of example and not go by a double standard. Ethan gets away with things the average n00b wouldn't.

boo boo, Crowquill has never once abused his modding privileges.
Never once has he misused the modCP for anything other than moderating.
Yes, he does get involved in the odd argument, but I've never once seen him use personal, or abusive language to anyone that would warrant an infraction, or ban, had Crowquill been a regular member.

His contribution to MusicBanter is substantial.
He trawls through every new post meticulously, deleting spam, merging, closing and moving posts and threads and keeping the place tidy.
I doubt MB has a more dedicated member.
He organises polls and lists and is always helpful to members when they need it.

There are times when modding MB can be a pain in the arse.
It's not easy constantly trying to remain impartial, especially when a subject matter arises that you feel passionate about.

I'm not criticizing how he does his job on a technical level. Just rather that he has done things other people get in trouble for on a regular basis. He dosen't abuse his powers to intimidate others, but he does seem to take advantage of it.

He trys to provoke on a regular basis, not to an extent that he should be banned but its not something a mod should do and theres no excuse for it. I think of him as a troll and therefor not moderator material. If he cuts outs all the bullsh*t, then thats fine. He should get some kind of warning. Otherwise I will continue to push for his dismissal.

Crowquill's faults are far outweighed by his plusses.

I can see why you've raised the points you have, but I don't understand why you would call for his removal.

None of us are perfect, you and I included.

I do think his removal is totally and completely unnecessary.
If you could see the contribution he makes behind the scenes your attitude would be different.

There's always room for improvement, maybe we can all take something from this.

I don't really know what to say. All of these accusations could easily be addressed at me or some other mod. I'm not sure what your standard for mod behavior is. :-|

I understand. Everyone has a responsability. But mods more than others. I think Ethan should take some of the responsabilities beyond just the standard things every mod should do. Behavior is important for a mod as well in my opinion.

None of the other mods continiously provoke others and start one flame war after another. He does. Thats what I'm saying.

You don't have it anywhere as bad as Ethan, at least not from my experience with you.

Right_Track is an example of meeting mod standards more closely to how I see it.

I'd much rather mods act like CQ or Adidasss.

So you like your mods to be attention whoring pricks?

EDIT: Not you Adidasss.

boo boo don't go spoiling any valid points you have made by getting personal.
It defeats the object and undermines your argument.

Yeah, my bad.

How about you stop making this forum the most important aspect of your life. Go make some friends, drink some beers, and get laid. And if thats too hard for you to do, just GTFO, cause all your bitching pisses me, and im sure all the other members off.

^^^^
PMSL. Quality!

Ethan does a good job as a mod, everyone has bad days and gets into arguments, it's only natural. He is the most active and runs contests and such and is, for the most part, helpful.

And this is the internet, not the Geneva Convention, so chillax.

<3 ethan

word. boo boo is lame. i dont even know all about this stuff but it is pretty silly to get this serious about an internet forum. get a life man, he's a mod not a UN ambassador.

Honestly I'd say Adidass starts a lot more flamed-up arguements than Ethan. But I honestly don't think either of them should have their mod status revoked. Not even close really. The "n00bs" who come on this forum would act the same way even if Crowquill didn't exist.

I honestly don't know why everyone is getting mad at Boo Boo. He stated his opinion and he should be able to without all of you whining idiots telling him he should shut his trap. If you don't like him saying CQ shouldn't be a mod then don't read the thread. It is that simple. I can agree with him on some points. Calling anybody a fascist for any unwanted reason is unacceptable and as a mod you should show a level of maturity that rises over the average member. Coming to you as a mod of a big fansub distro site for anime, which has a forum, I can say that the way I act on the forum is much different then the way I would act on the mIRC channel where I play around all the time. The maturity is very important because it shows members one reason why you are a mod.

Now I also agree with the fact that if he messes up a couple times, it isn't that big and he shouldn't be demodded for it. I do agree though that he should be warned just as the other members are.

Only a few people are really getting mad at him. He stated his opinions, and if people disagree with them, not always in the nicest way.

I don't mind the feedback, after all thats what I expected.

However I do think some people here are just taking their strong respect for Ethan and their strong disrespect for me to heart, without thinking this through more objectivly.

But thanks anyway Inuzuka. Good to meet a fellow Anime fan. =)

This should never be written, on any other forum, ever again.

Well, my opinion on Ethan being a mod still stands, but at the time being theres little I can do about it. He got a good talking to from right_track and adidasss however. So maybe he got the idea, lets leave it at that.

However I don't want this thread locked, just in case for any reason this topic has to come up again.

I do agree that the mods should show more tact sometimes.

Don't talk bollocks. ;)

The thread stays open, but I hope this is an end to the matter for the time being at least.

Even as moderators we come here to post for the same reasons as regular members, but as boo boo pointed out rightly, we do have a responsibility to set an example.

I like to think we're pretty easy going in comparison to other forums and I hope that cuts both ways.

Who said ethan doesnt contribute positively, o.o he's always got some new interesting thread in the general section for this place, each one better than the last, the most recent examples of this being that long arse poll. or his top 50 albums etc.

Then why is it only about 12 people posting, there used to be over 100 new posts a day and now we're lucky to get 50

I blame Canada

Oh no half of my posts are based on this premise!

I'll show more tact the day that I can ask someone to stop doing something nicely without them whinging & crying about double standards , unfair & biased modding & generally bitching like a paranoid 5 year old.

Not me-I'm a good lad i am!