sleepy jack

Radiohead isn't metal, and when did I say I wasn't consider Pink Floyd? They're on the pending list, i've been gone all week christ.

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MHDTV

You kinda' threw me off with your DSOTM bashing. I won't respond to the Radiohead comment, just to keep things from going eve more off-topic. At this point it probably doesn't matter. Now for some smilies:
The Story of Crowquills Life:

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Seltzer

Nope, it was Crowquill. Read starting from this: (link)

>Maybe you didn't read my post properly, did I say you hated Metallica? No I just think you're boasting the same 'typical METALLICA SUX crap metal fans >seem to constantly bring up' in regards to their musicianship.

Whether my complaints are valid and whether I've tried to improve MB are two different things. Yes, my complaints are valid. And no, I can't do anything to improve MB because I have no power to do that, in the same way that I can't lower unemployment rates. I can't change how other people act.


You disown practically anything attached to the title 'metal' or 'prog' - it seems like you hold a grudge against most music that involves any kind of technical skill. I think it's more the fact that you're only open to one idealised type of music. Sorry if this sounds stupid because it is hard to explain so I'll give an example. I like thrash metal - I find it to be a fairly consistent genre and while I listen to it because I like the musicianship and energy etc. I doubt I'll ever consider a thrash metal band to be one of my favourite bands ever. This is because I am open to the ideals of thrash, but most thrash bands just aren't superior enough for me to consider them my favourite band - they don't have my preferred ideals.

What I'm saying is, I guess you set your ideals more by lyrics, vocals and a certain type of instrumentation which you find to carry emotion. If the instrumentation is technical, you are less likely to judge it as emotive. While my preferred ideals tend to lie in atmosphere and progression, my ideals are open so I can enjoy many types of music. Here are a few examples of musical ideals based on genres:

Prog rock = Progression, songwriting instrumentation, technical instrumentation, atmosphere
Punk rock / thrash metal = Immediate catchiness (opposite to progression), riff dependent, energy
Jazz = Songwriting instrumentation, Theory instrumentation, technical instrumentation
Post rock = Atmosphere, progression
Folk = Lyrics, acoustic instrumentation

Rather than saying someone is biased towards a genre, sometimes it's better to say their musical ideals fit certain genres. Of course, these are only ideals and there are thrash metal bands with progression, jazz which focusses more on immediate catchiness and folk which uses electric instruments.



If you want I'll see if I can find any examples later on. I'm a bit busy with studying right now.

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A_Perfect_Sonnet

I know I technically have no right to be calling you out on this, but if you're going to give Ethan a hard time, how can you not consider anything of this your own biased opinion? That was basically just a non-insightful, slanted rant of Ethan's taste in music and genre standards.

Seltzer

I'm not ranting about it - consider it my analysis. I'm not trying to be hard on him. Most of the stuff you bolded is factual - it is a fact that post rock appeals more to people who prefer atmosphere in music. And it is no secret that Crowquill doesn't tend to like most music with technical skill - it's not my biased opinion.

I think it's quite insightful. Most of the arguments here revolve around genres, but nobody actually thinks what appeals to members about those genres. Whether it's the atmosphere, technicality etc... Surely that would be of interest on a music board?

And there's nothing biased about me liking thrash metal, but not considering those bands my favourite ever. Sure it might be biased in the traditional idea that having any sort of opinion makes you biased - that's unavoidable. But it's not biased in the sense that I judge it more/less harshly in certain areas or I constantly slag it off when arguing with another member... E.g. disliking Rush is an opinion with an inevitable bias. Admitting Geddy Lee is a good musician despite disliking Rush means you're not biased in general.

And if it's any consolation, I think Crowquill should remain as a mod - I just think he needs to be more impartial. I'm not saying 'ZOMG listen to more genres'... Being unbiased doesn't mean you have to listen to every genre in existence. And I'm hoping the 'Metallica sux' thing was a one-off on his part rather than the way he always argues.

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:why this:

MHDTV

*shrugs*

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