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Old 12-19-2012, 08:49 PM   #1121 (permalink)
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I read your post, Vegan, and honestly feel like you're proposing some kind of bizzarely sensitive cult-dictatorship.
Possibly! I do think a bizzarely sensitive cult-dictatorship sounds kind of nice.

But I think of the debate over this suggestion of not allowing pictures that ridicule people's ideas in the music forums is more like the debate over whether YouTube videos without commentary should be allowed.

Because videos are about music and share music, I always felt posting YouTube videos alone should be fine, but I recall quite a few mods felt that people should include commentary.

If mods felt YouTube videos alone weren't desirable on a music forum, then I feel it would be consistent to encourage people to use their words rather than simply post a picture alone. Of course, what would probably happen is that people would post the picture and include words.

The basic issue is how important it is to try to make MB an even more welcoming place for sharing opinions and observations about music. Too much moderation squelches discussion, just like too much ridiculing and antagonism squelch discussion, so finding a balance is the challenge.

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i say this while fully acknowledging that i'm pretty disrespectful at points, but that's sound advice you've just given, vegangelica.
Thank you for saying so, zevokes, and welcome back!
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Old 12-19-2012, 08:54 PM   #1122 (permalink)
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I remember the discussion you refer to, and I agree that it's fine--within reason. So, I think, is teasing other members who take themselves too seriously. I think taking one's self too seriously is a bigger contributor to feelings of alienation and animosity than disagreements with other people are.

EDIT: I may be perceived as the most egregious srs-biznizz offender, so I balance it by getting drunk and embarrassing myself in the shouty.
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Old 12-19-2012, 09:40 PM   #1123 (permalink)
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I feel this would be a good rule for the music forums.

If moderators see a member who appears to be ridiculing a music discussion by posting an image rather than debating with words, then the mods could privately and politely remind the member to contribute to the music discussion with words rather than just post pictures that appear to ridicule someone's idea.


I disagree that people need to be respectful in order to receive respect.

I feel we should be respectful of people here at MB whether or not they are acting respectfully. This prevents errors such as treating well-meaning people disrespectfully, and it also gives new members a positive example to follow.
I stand behind my points because at the end of the day this guy has been offered plenty of opportunities to relax and not fight everyone.

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I think that's true, I mean unless you practice it you really won't know what it is or appreciate it when you see it. The odds are not everyone is going to respect you even if you are perfectly respectful to everyone. That's how the world is. I think if it's something that's important than you'll do it, and sooner or later you'll meet up with other people are respectful too.
That's exactly right, thank you for expanding my point.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:01 PM   #1124 (permalink)
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I personally like the uncommented pictures. They often appeal to my sense of humour and have become a bit of an MB meme. I think things would get a bit dull if the practice were banned outright.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:06 PM   #1125 (permalink)
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Possibly! I do think a bizzarely sensitive cult-dictatorship sounds kind of nice.

But I think of the debate over this suggestion of not allowing pictures that ridicule people's ideas in the music forums is more like the debate over whether YouTube videos without commentary should be allowed.

Because videos are about music and share music, I always felt posting YouTube videos alone should be fine, but I recall quite a few mods felt that people should include commentary.

If mods felt YouTube videos alone weren't desirable on a music forum, then I feel it would be consistent to encourage people to use their words rather than simply post a picture alone. Of course, what would probably happen is that people would post the picture and include words.

The basic issue is how important it is to try to make MB an even more welcoming place for sharing opinions and observations about music. Too much moderation squelches discussion, just like too much ridiculing and antagonism squelch discussion, so finding a balance is the challenge.


Thank you for saying so, zevokes, and welcome back!
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:16 PM   #1126 (permalink)
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Possibly! I do think a bizzarely sensitive cult-dictatorship sounds kind of nice.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:19 PM   #1127 (permalink)
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:28 PM   #1128 (permalink)
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:32 PM   #1129 (permalink)
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:46 PM   #1130 (permalink)
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