Musicbanter Improvement Thread (album, members, title, reviews, quote)

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Trollheart

Considering though that he was not insulting you, but was taking issue with how you responded, I don't think it was fair. I mean, essentially he was doing the same thing I did, just phrasing it slightly differently. I think it would be disingenuous of you to deny that your personal dislike of/feud with Chula didn't have something to do with that.

Let me just say that the 95% of the bad blood in our "feud" is on Chula's side. The 5% on my end is annoyance that he keeps dredging it up for no reason. I don't have anything against him and I'm never rude to him out of the blue, it's always because he's the one starting ****. Obviously something that I need to work on moving forward. And yes, phrasing is everything because it shows intent. You were respectful. He was not and continued to do so after being warned not to. He was then banned. This is after years of warnings not to personally attack people, so I considered my single warning to be adequate.

Maybe instead of viewing this in the context of my "feud" with Chula, people should consider viewing it within the context of Chula being abusive to virtually everybody on this forum.

[Trollheart]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Let me just say that the 95% of the bad blood in our "feud" is all on Chula's side. I don't have anything against him and I'm never rude to him out of the blue, it's always because he's the one starting ****. And yes, phrasing is everything because it shows intent. You were respectful. He was not and continued to do so after being warned not to. He was then banned.

Maybe instead of viewing this in the context of my "feud" with Chula, people should consider viewing it within the context of Chula being abusive to virtually everybody on this forum.

I'm going to admit that's a fair point. I've spoken to him before about the things he says, but he never listens. Still, I would have been the bigger man and tried not to rise to it, at least not initially. After all, he can do nothing: you're the one with the power, and you know what Stan Lee said...

Originally Posted by Frownland

Maybe instead of viewing this in the context of my "feud" with Chula, people should consider viewing it within the context of Chula being abusive to virtually everybody on this forum.

I agree with this.

[Trollheart]

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Batlord/OH say the most "too far" jokes of every member.. The only difference is Batlord gets away with it because for whatever reason it's perceived differently by certain members, like yourself. As I said, people need to grow the **** up and express when they feel like a joke has gone to far(which you have done in the past BTW, which is why i used you as an example) WITHOUT acting like Chula and just throwing out personal attacks that aren't joking. We don't need mods deciding what is and isn't too far if the parties involved are not making an issue out of the things being said. Stop trying to justify Chula's behavior as a defense for jokes he couldn't take. If he doesn't like the jokes directed at him the correct response is not to tell people to **** off and call them *******s.

No, you're right. We all have a part to play, and as you say, using a "You send one of ours to the hospital, we send one of yours to the morgue" approach is not acceptable either. I really wouldn't have a problem with this ban if it had been anyone other than Frown wielding the hammer. Whether it's the case or not, that's always going to look like a personal vendetta. On both sides. Essentially, to take your own advice above, BOTH of them should grow the **** up, but I think the onus is more on the mod, as they are a) the ones expected to keep order and b) the only ones who can wield the hammer. But yeah, Chula needs to realise he can't do that stuff either and just get away with it.

I think with Batty it's a case of (he'll kill me but anyway) his heart is in the right place. He knows when he's gone too far (or when someone else has) and either pulls back or just grins at what's going on. I can think of few occasions where he really angered me (though there have been a few) but if he did, I usually took it to PM to say, basically, "really dude? Are you serious?" And most times he told me that no, he was not. If Chula and Frown (or Chula and anyone he offends or is seen to offend) were to do this, maybe we wouldn't have so much drama and maybe people wouldn't have to be banned.

Is someone going to bring Occulthawk a rabbit or something while he's banned? Don't want him starving on us.