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Originally Posted by tore (Post 1237771)

I too feel that it's a moderators job to abide by the rules he or she enforces and to keep an eye on other moderators that they do the same. To me it's obvious that the more you break the rules, the less fit you are to moderate.

So it goes without saying that I think moderators should be more careful than the rest of us when it comes to dishing out insults. When I first read this thread, I have to say I thought Janszoon did a fantastic job as a moderator, being diplomatic and approachable, treating the concern seriously, taking time to write proper replies etc. I and others notice this and it reflects positively on the whole mod team. Vanilla's contribution to the thread, however, is little else than making the mods seem a little worse (opposite of Jans' approach, being dismissive, undiplomatic, offensive).

I really like you Vanilla and I'm sorry to offend you, but it's how I feel. I'm not saying you shouldn't be a moderator, only that you should not forget to also moderate yourself.

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I'm not just thinking of the "he can **** off" comment in this thread. Erica addressed a concern which you initially responded to like this :

Which is dismissive, unapproachable and very disrespectful when someone turns to you with what they think is a legitimate concern.

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Originally Posted by Rjinn (Post 1237778)

I'm going to speak as an experienced moderator of a big forum site, it was paramount to be an example of our rules to all members. However, I may see the difference being a Namco business/help/product advertising site to a general site for music, so strictness was unwavering.

Honestly I can understand the frustration of members constantly questioning and arguing over decisions and actions, it can be hell. However we always were approachable enough to respond reasonably without any aggression and in a calm collective manner.

Moderators here at least don't have double standards. They may not be strict, but I don't see them treating others' responses differently than the way they treat theirs. So far, I see this forum being run efficiently with very little loss of control. That's the most important thing.

Look at what Trollheart said. At the end of the day I said one comment while drunk about an unreasonable and banned spammer. I said tl;dr to Vege because she was coming off poorly by throwing accusations not just about me being unfit to moderate but that moderators aren't doing enough to check if spam is real. She has no idea what it involves dealing with excessive spam eveyday while we also have to work, go to school and make time for our families.

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1237808)

(Climbing on white charger... where's me lance? Oh, there he is! Come on, Lance!) :)

While most of you are quietly berating Vanilla for her response --- and I agree, it was not appropriate, particularly in a somewhat flammable atmosphere as was the case here --- I would like to point out that in my view it was a RARE lapse in judgement, which Vanilla will probably agree is the case, and she should not be taken too much to task over it. We all know how good a mod she is, and one little slip should not call into question her fitness for the job she has already proven without arguement that she can carry off in a fair yet strict manner, always being mindful of the feelings of others.

Plus, she said she was drunk. Who hasn't done something they don't regret while under the influence? (How did I get this traffic cone? I wasn't even OUT last night??) :confused:

So basically, it's one mistake and I think should be accepted as such. It's not like she's forever going around doing things like this and regularly abusing members, new or old. Personally, I'd trust her as I would any of the mods here, comment notwithstanding.

I appreciate that you did actually think it all through without jumping to conclusions. Thank you for your faith that 99% of the time I moderate appropriately. If I had said that comment to a contributing member I'd understand the fuss but a spammer who's told a moderator he is incapable of recognizing spam (a moderator who has been one since 2007), the frustration can occasionally come out. It's about giving and taking when it comes to respect. I didn't respect his allegations because he accused someone I really care about.

Hopefully we can all move on from this now that I've explained how I feel. Feel free to PM if you have anymore to discuss with me. :)

My comment wasn't directed at you personally Vanilla. I don't have a problem with the way you work. Just a general comment about the discussion of moderating at hand.

No mod is ever going to be perfect.

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Originally Posted by Rjinn (Post 1237918)

:)

I'd like to see anyone try being a perfect mod.

I agree completely that moderators should moderate themselves and each other and generally, should follow the rules themselves.

I would however differentiate between a comment a moderator makes to a "real" member of this forum and a comment a moderator makes to a spammer. For example I can be fairly confident that any member here would see me as being fair and approachable. If they can't, I would encourage them to contact me as I really feel that they dont understand me. if said member is a butthurt spammetr, however, then I couldn't give two fucks and I'm sorry if anyone thinks this is unacceptable.

The way I see it is that moderators are here to protect the community. I dont mean individual members, I mean the community aspect of this forum as a whole. I will make whatever decision I feel is right for that community. It isnt always about playing things by the book, as important as the rules here are to enforce. Theres always a way around the rules. If I make a decision to ban someone, or any decision I make, in what I see as the best interests of the community as a whole, then I will defend that decision to anyone.

To sum up, I wont lose any sleep about what someone says to a spammer and someone whop can only hurt this forum because, well, why should I care?

In the decade+ that I've bounced around music forums I've never once seen a member who pulled the kind of stunt the OP did at the start of this thread become any sort of worthwhile member of any site. Spammer or not, wanker is a wanker.

right-track has reported a post.

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SPAM

Post: Moderators who can't recognize spam
Forum: Announcements, Suggestions, & Feedback
Assigned Moderators: N/A

Posted by: midnight_spree
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Hello,

Apparently there is at least one moderator of this forum who has no idea what spam is. Therefore, being the helpful person I am, allow me to explain.

from Wikipedia: Spam is the use of electronic messaging systems to send unsolicited bulk messages, especially advertising, indiscriminately.

from Google: Irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of recipients

Spam is therefore NOT purposely searching out a community of music lovers that you believe may be able to answer your question, then asking that question in the appropriate sub-category of that forum that deals with the relevant style of music.

I suppose it's possible that the question violated some rule of the forum, but seeing as that I read all the stickies at the top as well as the " MusicBanter Forum Rules UPDATED 08/14/12" post before posting, that rule would have to be pretty obscure and therefore not worthy of a lifetime ban!

but identifying that post as "spam" (which was the reason given for the ban) is pure unquestionable incompetence on the part of the moderators here.

In closing, I would like to point out that the majority of people who come to a forum for the first time are looking for something, usually information of some sort. If you go around banning everyone who starts out their first post by asking a question or asking for help from the community, you will be turning away countless people who could end up contributing to your community

P.S. I'm sure this post will be deleted by a moderator, but hopefully it's the same moderator that deleted the post before, and he reads it first and learned something.

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And this ladies & gentlemen is why RT was the best mod this place ever had.

Ive never reported a post on 15 years on forums lagger

If right track says it, then it must be spam. It's like the law.

so this site is about music...yeah?

Think of it as a site where people mess around & occasionally a music discussion breaks out.