Sopsych Complaint Thread

[sopsych]

If this thread isn't moved back fast to where it was, Yac will be getting a message about moderator behavior. I have little patience for this garbage. The complaints I've made are shared by others in the original thread - if you want people to blow smoke up your [bleep] on a forum with a feedback section, you should not be a moderator.

[Key]

Originally Posted by sopsych

If this thread isn't moved back fast to where it was, Yac will be getting a message about moderator behavior. I have little patience for this garbage. The complaints I've made are shared by others in the original thread - if you want people to blow smoke up your [bleep] on a forum with a feedback section, you should not be a moderator.

I don't really know what the consequences were that made this thread but from what i've seen, I don't think there's any reason to hate on the behavior of the moderators. From what i've seen, they go out of their way to make the community happy. They've done more than enough things to help me out like approving my new avatars even if it's too close to when I got my last one, and Janz just approved my journal so I could check it for edits. Honestly, that's a pretty awesome thing to do and especially since they do it for free.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by sopsych

If this thread isn't moved back fast to where it was, Yac will be getting a message about moderator behavior. I have little patience for this garbage. The complaints I've made are shared by others in the original thread - if you want people to blow smoke up your [bleep] on a forum with a feedback section, you should not be a moderator.

This was a derail of a thread that has a specific purpose. If you'd like to contribute to that thread in the way it was intended you're welcome to. If you'd like to continue having the discussion you're having here, you are also welcome to do that.

[Dr_Rez]

Originally Posted by sopsych

If this thread isn't moved back fast to where it was, Yac will be getting a message about moderator behavior. I have little patience for this garbage. The complaints I've made are shared by others in the original thread - if you want people to blow smoke up your [bleep] on a forum with a feedback section, you should not be a moderator.

[Burning Down]

Originally Posted by sopsych

If this thread isn't moved back fast to where it was, Yac will be getting a message about moderator behavior. I have little patience for this garbage. The complaints I've made are shared by others in the original thread - if you want people to blow smoke up your [bleep] on a forum with a feedback section, you should not be a moderator.

Yac is not stupid, he's going to see right through it.

[Freebase Dali]

Originally Posted by sopsych

People shooting the messenger and ignoring tons of evidence instead of admitting the problem.

Works both ways. You're shooting the mods and ignoring the evidence that you're the only one here that seems to think the way the rules are enforced are more detrimental to this site than the way people behave as individuals.

I don't disagree with the fact that we've been lenient lately, but if you understand anything at all about the dynamic involved with balancing an entire community of individuals' effects on the greater good of the whole, you'd obviously still disagree with, for instance, the fact that we haven't banned you yet for being willingly uncompromising and purposelessly argumentative as is evidenced by the reactions of pretty much everyone here, who statistically hold more weight than your individual perspective.

I realize your retort will be something to the effect of, "So being uncompromising and argumentative is a crime now"?

My answer would be, it depends on if enough people feel like it's unreasonable. And this is not a sample taken from the mods. So if I were you, I'd listen more to what your fellow members have to say. They're ultimately the ones who decide whether you're a nuisance or not. But, indeed, if you would rather us take that upon ourselves without the benefit of your peers, we can accommodate.

I hardly see any positive side. Why are my posts concentrated in complaint threads and a few stupid-seeming music discussion threads that haters cite against me? Because most topics aren't good (or are too obscure, a minor distinction), and when I do reply somewhere, it's like posting into thin air. People on this site seem more interested in replying to their friends or attacking anything they disagree with than making enjoyable music discussion. It's a point others have stated in this thread. Even many people who create threads seem to selectively reply within their threads.

So basically your complaint is that because you or someone else don't have the kind of feedback you want from posts, (which strangely has nothing to do with the posts in question... odd) the whole system is flawed?

Please help me clarify whether or not that's your position. Because it sounds like you're willingly disregarding the fact that people routinely engage in good music discussions when there is a good music discussion going on. If your gripe is that the mods need to start deleting everything they deem as "not good music discussion", yeah, we can go Hitler with it if you want. But we won't. Because it's not our responsibility to ensure your posts are worth replying to. And the sooner you realize that, the less angry you will be.

And if you think this is some clique where only the members get involved in the discussion, you're deluding yourself. While we have somewhat cliquish factions here and there, I seriously doubt that anyone who has something interesting to say to someone who is interested is going to turn that convo down.

And unless you're suggesting that the mods drill into the brains of all our members and flip a "be interested in everything" switch, you already know what you have to do. Post interesting things in relevant areas. But don't blame the world when no one seems to mirror your sensibilities.

That's just ridiculous.

[sopsych]

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Works both ways. You're shooting the mods and ignoring the evidence that you're the only one here that seems to think the way the rules are enforced are more detrimental to this site than the way people behave as individuals.

I don't disagree with the fact that we've been lenient lately, but if you understand anything at all about the dynamic involved with balancing an entire community of individuals' effects on the greater good of the whole, you'd obviously still disagree with, for instance, the fact that we haven't banned you yet for being willingly uncompromising and purposelessly argumentative as is evidenced by the reactions of pretty much everyone here, who statistically hold more weight than your individual perspective.

I realize your retort will be something to the effect of, "So being uncompromising and argumentative is a crime now"?

My answer would be, it depends on if enough people feel like it's unreasonable. And this is not a sample taken from the mods. So if I were you, I'd listen more to what your fellow members have to say. They're ultimately the ones who decide whether you're a nuisance or not. But, indeed, if you would rather us take that upon ourselves without the benefit of your peers, we can accommodate.

"The complaints I've made are shared by others in the original thread" For example, tore.

This spin-off thread is meant to isolate and abuse me. It would take some balls for somebody to come into a pile-on and fight for the victim. The only reason there have been so many posts by me is because people keep insulting me, dismissing facts (e.g., statements by tore), and distorting my position.

So basically your complaint is that because you or someone else don't have the kind of feedback you want from posts, (which strangely has nothing to do with the posts in question... odd) the whole system is flawed?

Please help me clarify whether or not that's your position. Because it sounds like you're willingly disregarding the fact that people routinely engage in good music discussions when there is a good music discussion going on. If your gripe is that the mods need to start deleting everything they deem as "not good music discussion", yeah, we can go Hitler with it if you want. But we won't. Because it's not our responsibility to ensure your posts are worth replying to. And the sooner you realize that, the less angry you will be.

And if you think this is some clique where only the members get involved in the discussion, you're deluding yourself. While we have somewhat cliquish factions here and there, I seriously doubt that anyone who has something interesting to say to someone who is interested is going to turn that convo down.

And unless you're suggesting that the mods drill into the brains of all our members and flip a "be interested in everything" switch, you already know what you have to do. Post interesting things in relevant areas. But don't blame the world when no one seems to mirror your sensibilities.

That's just ridiculous.

I don't understand a lot of that and am not in the mood to try to figure it out. Again, if people here would just think - gee, if someone prefers to talk with pals, he/she is naturally going to put less attention and mental energy toward reading and replying to non-friends' posts and probably automatically would go to a different thread featuring friends than reply to someone else (unless it's for the "fun" of mod-approved attacking). Of course people could fight their own tendency, but I see complete unwillingness by haters to follow any of my advice. Since I am a thinker, it pops into my head right now that the revived Journal in itself will just divert more attention from regulars to each other.

Anyone who sees this thread and does not approve of its existence should be ready to tell Yac what the real problem with this site is.

[duga]

sopsych, do you want to enjoy being a member of this site?

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by sopsych

This spin-off thread is meant to isolate and abuse me.

No, it's meant to remove a derail from the thread it's derailing. It's a compromise that allows the conversation taking place in the derail to continue on, if the people involved want it to, while also allowing the original thread to continue serving the community in the way it was intended to.

[sopsych]

I think people can see through that, given the title of the thread and various mods' bashing and threatening me and condoning of nasty things posted by others.

At some point, Yac will make changes. Moderators don't last forever, especially when things go bad under their watch.