Maybe, but we (Mods, members, both) either fix that, or **** continues to go to hell every time there's any problem less clearcut than a spambot, and that thought concerns me.

I'm honestly not sure there's much that can be done about it. If the recent arguments are anything to go on, I'd say there's very little we can agree on at large. I'm sure that this will blow over, return to normal, repeat, blow over, etc. as every major dramatic event has in the past. I think we can only ride it out.

Gotta try.

I don't think of it as an impossibility. The simplest way to do it, I think, would be for somone to write a thread of examples and how to deal with them and then publish it in a thread to the other mods in the mods forum. Mods can then discuss these examples, f.ex. one at a time. When a consensus is reached, those examples are ordained .. or what you call it. ;)

I got a couple of suggestion that ive seen work in other forums and maybe they can work here ^^

1, Profile customization

Basically pimping out your profile and maybe notifying Vms
this would be for ppl here to Vm each other more often and approach each other personally more

2. Community events

i know they have community events here but more events specifically more diverse events will draw some ppl here, like a poetry contest or a song contest where the community votes and picks out the winner

3, Better layout / Blogs

personally i think the layout of this forum is too basic to quote murderface it lacks.. Sass lol

also i don't understand why blog are disabled and instead we have member journals that have to be Mod approved

through blogs we could get to know how a person is like not just how much he knows about music
i think in blogs you can share more personal thoughts without affecting the community or threads here

Francis, suggestions 1 & 3 have been repeatedly ignored/denied by the administrators of the website. Anything that requires a change in layout or forum features and can't be created in the thread-template is a non-option for us on this present forum.

As for number 2, we used to have many of these, and they worked well for a while. If you have an idea, by all means go for it! They're a fun way to bring people together, they just don't repeat well.

The problem with your first and last suggestions, are they require technical changes to the forum, or the enabling of vbulletin options that are only available to the admin. It's pretty much impossible to get those things done, which is precisely why the forum looks as dated as it does - Tore campaigned ceaselessly for technical improvements to the site while he was a mod, and ultimately came away with nothing. Its common knowledge at this point that even if the whole mod team makes the request, they're far more likely to get no answer at all, than they are to even get a simple "no".

Your second suggestion makes perfect sense, and a few members have expressed similar sentiments, but I think we should be careful not to start a hundred clubs at once - I don't think we have the membership, nor does our membership have the time, to devote to that many different clubs and meber-led initiatives.

i also think this community strictly encourages a certain behavior, like to be a music know-it-all

and while that is good in a way because these ppl can educate ppl that know less it also means the key members basically run this place and sometimes its hard to be at the same lvl as them and if you are not you basically get ignored by them..

i mean seriously, we can't be all as charming as Trollheart..
Not everybody that comes here is a professional music critic it feels like music hipsters that only socialise with other music hipsters and if you don't know as much you get excluded

How can i say this,
it seems this place is run by certain key members and they are the same key members as always cause not many ppl make the cut and that's why i think not many newcomers stay here cause they don't feel acknowledged here.. it feels not everybody is welcomed here just certain ppl..

Thankfully this place has the lounge where you don't need to be a music pros to socialise here

I don't want ppl to think im an assh*le or anything, i like MB and i like how smart ppl are here.. i do, personally i have alot of respect for some ppl here cause they know their sh*t :)
i suggested a friendlier tone to this forum to counteract that, so its not all about who knows more about music and proves it but also about socialising and getting to know ppl

I'm pretty sure Urban's first post said not to go criticizing members.