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[djchameleon]

Originally Posted by Qwertyy

Nah, the truth to the story that is presented by these facts is that if there's a problem it's a policing problem. It's not a racial issue. I won't deny that there's been a lot of ****ed up cases of innocent black youth being killed by cops abusing their power, but the media tends to avoid sharing both sides of the narrative.

It is a racial issue though. Racial profiling is a thing. Stop and Frisk policy targeted minorities.

[Ol’ Qwerty Bastard]

Originally Posted by djchameleon

It is a racial issue though. Racial profiling is a thing. Stop and Frisk policy targeted minorities.

NYPD Report - Crime and Enforcement Activity in New York City

Look at the 2015 breakdown and tell me you don't understand why more black people are getting stopped. I'm not saying there isn't any racial bias in police actions, there are bad police officers just like there are bad individuals in every field. That isn't the reason why they're getting arrested though.

[djchameleon]

Originally Posted by Qwertyy

NYPD Report - Crime and Enforcement Activity in New York City

Look at the 2015 breakdown and tell me you don't understand why more black people are getting stopped. I'm not saying there isn't any racial bias in police actions, there are bad police officers just like there are bad individuals in every field. That isn't the reason why they're getting arrested though.

So what's the reason? elaborate.


Stop-and-frisk encounters down 50%, but minorities still stopped more, stats show | Newsday

The NYPD data, which is routinely reported to the City Council, has shown that the percentage of blacks and Hispanics subjected to stop-and-frisk encounters has declined slightly, but last quarter amounted to 81.5 percent: 51.7 percent of stops were blacks and 29.7 percent were Hispanics. The percentage of whites stopped was 12.1 percent, Asians 4.4 percent with other ethnic groups making up the remainder.

If you are trying to say just because there are more crimes in the area that people should be randomly stopped more then that's a horrible argument. Stop and risk is ineffective. All it does is pad the numbers for the amount of arrests that cops pull in for minor things like public urination, littering, etc.

[Ol’ Qwerty Bastard]

Originally Posted by Qwertyy

Not trying to derail the thread but you should look up statistics on the matter because you're wrong.

5 Statistics You Need To Know About Cops Killing Blacks | Daily Wire

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.95f789439749

Police Brutality: Racism in Police Shootings and Arrests

Originally Posted by Qwertyy

NYPD Report - Crime and Enforcement Activity in New York City

Look at the 2015 breakdown and tell me you don't understand why more black people are getting stopped. I'm not saying there isn't any racial bias in police actions, there are bad police officers just like there are bad individuals in every field. That isn't the reason why they're getting arrested though.

First of all, I didn't say stop and frisk was okay. All I'm saying is the issue is a lot more complex than "minorities are being shot at a disproportional rate" because it isn't that simple when we actually look at the numbers. This issue is more about an abuse of power and poor training than it is racism. Making this an issue of race is only causing fear in African American communities and making them treat cops like they're the enemy, which leads to even more issues.

And can you blame them? If someone was coming around my place that I honestly believed was going to shoot me based solely on my race, I would be terrified as well.

[Cuthbert]

Commit more crime, get stopped more. Seems fair enough to me.

[Ol’ Qwerty Bastard]

Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

Commit more crime, get stopped more. Seems fair enough to me.

Yup

Never said stop and frisk is a good thing. I'm just explaining to you why this police brutality issue isn't the way the media chooses to present it.

[djchameleon]

Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

Commit more crime, get stopped more. Seems fair enough to me.

Seems fair to stop random people based off of the race that commits more crime?

Yeah, I bet you'd like that a lot if the shoe was on the other foot.

Also maybe think about the fact that you are stopping that particular race and inflating the number of arrests.

[Cuthbert]

Originally Posted by djchameleon

Seems fair to stop random people based off of the race that commits more crime?

Yeah, I bet you'd like that a lot if the shoe was on the other foot.

Also maybe think about the fact that you are stopping that particular race and inflating the number of arrests.

Yes it's entirely fair. Doesn't just apply to race either.

Your problem should be with the people committing crimes which results in innocents constantly being stopped.

Shoe on the other foot thing is bollocks, I've been stopped plenty of times because of how I looked. If you're not doing anything wrong then just answer the questions and be on your way. No problem.

[djchameleon]

Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

Your problem should be with the people committing crimes which results in innocents constantly being stopped.

I'm so tired of this bull****. It's along the same lines as whenever people bring up police brutality against the black community then people like you pivot and are like but what about black on black crime and Chicago.

White on white crime is just a prevalent as black on black crime.

The black on black crime in Chiraq is boiled down to living in ghettos and project housing along with the school to prison pipeline and the endless cycle that is hard to get out of. It isn't a simple solution and I don't have the answers but just because that happens doesn't mean it's perfectly fine and fair to harass me just because I happen to be black. GTFO.

[Trollheart]

Originally Posted by djchameleon

I'm not white knighting for her. I'm giving a voice to the voiceless that would have just been ignored and written off as crazy even if she was around.

The last thing SF was was voiceless. She was forever spouting on about this and that, and as soon as anyone disagreed with her or poked a hole in her logic, she played the race card. That's not being voiceless, that's being a twat.

You guys don't notice a pattern you have here. Anytime there is someone with opinions you don't agree with you are quick to call the person bat**** crazy and just write them off without thinking to yourself about the motivations behind their actions. I guess it's just empathy issues but guess that's just the nature of the beast of being online. No one really gives a fuck.

Explain how this works. If it did, then there would be no debate here, no forum at all. If I start going on about how I love this band or that band, or can't stand American Football or some political thing, people do NOT write me off as crazy (even though I am) - they have come to understand that I can debate without (often) losing it and they know that though I may take offence at the odd comment I won't go crying to the mods or boil over as SF almost always did. She's the exception, not the rule. Unless you can bring up others?

Originally Posted by djchameleon

Waaaah she called you racist. If you aren't racist then why are you so bothered by it?

Well there's a silly question! If you're not something bad, and someone says you are, you shouldn't be bothered by it? If someone calls me a child rapist or says I love Frownland's music, I shouldn't get outraged? So what you're saying is that anyone can say anything and nobody should get upset if it's a lie or at least inaccurate? Are we all robots???

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

I haven't said it out loud to anyone yet but yeah I got the feeling she was a little bit crazy... nah, on second thought full-blown crazy, nah really just a little bit crazy. I tried to be friendly with her, and it worked for a while. However watching her go after one member after another I knew in the back of my mind it was time before one day she would give me a hard time like she gave others. It like making a friend with a ticking time-bomb that if you don't handle her with kid gloves she'll blow up in your face.



You said it. That's the whole problem in a nut shell. But it's not MB members, doing that, it was her. She was the one writing people off. You would give her an explanation to her why it wasn't as bad as what she thought the problem was and she would not accept it, and continue on her complaining and labeling.

This is it exactly. There was no logic with SF. You explain something to her, or ask her to clarify something, and all you would get back was that you were a racist and a bully. She didn't feel she had to qualify what she said. That's why people (and good, usually unflappable people, and I'm not talking about me) finally had enough of her and got involved in disputes, which went nowhere because you might as well be arguing with a brick wall.

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Let's just hope it doesn't turn out all those people were Jews.

Hey it could be worse. You could be Irish!

Originally Posted by Kedvesem

Well, I am here because I forum-stalk my Sir. But, yes, this place can be harsh. I'd be more inclined to think she left because she's a girl than because she's a _____ girl, whatever you might want to put in that blank.

Sorry but that's just ridiculous. We've had plenty of strong women here and they've been able to hold their own no problem. Most of them give us a run for our money. There's no way women are treated any differently here, nor I think do they expect to be. They give as good as they get and everyone gets on fine mostly. This is not a forum unfriendly to females, just loons.

And while we're on that subject, let's not forget all the male loopers who have been through here, and I doubt any of them were black!

Good point.

No, it isn't, as I just pointed out. It's an assumption based on possibly naivete or being relatively fresh to the forum, but it is not the case, not at all.
Women are welcome here. As long as they get their tits out.