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[jwb]

Originally Posted by Marie Monday

Of course many trans people choose to change their sex, but this implies that it's their trans-ness that is wrong and needs to be treated. That's being implied beyond semantics

i mean it seems disingenous to suggest that it's just that many trans people choose to change their sex as if that's not like a major part of them being trans ... If you aren't trans there is no reason to change your sex.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by Trollheart

Um, I would have to take issue with any sexual orientation/choice being a "condition". That presupposes treatment to in most cases change or overcome the condition, making it almost always a negative thing. Someone would say "how's the cancer?" or maybe "how's your mental health" or somesuch, but I doubt anyone's said any of these three - "How's your straightness/heterosexuality?", "How's your homosexuality/lesbianism" or "How's your transhood?" (not sure if that's a word but you know what I mean).

When you call something a condition you've pretty much immediately implied there's a problem. Happiness is not a condition. Laziness is not a condition. Paralysis is a condition, so is measles. I think the definition of condition to include straight people (in an attempt to perhaps justify characterising people who are trans as having a condition) is disingenuous at best, maybe what you people call a strawman? Never quite understood that word really. But certainly the sort of thing that makes it look like an attempt at backtracking and retro-justification.

Just how I see it, but what do I know?

yeah it is a loaded term but also it's tricky to me... Like being born a midget might also be a condition. There are obvious medical issues associated. Yet it would be in poor taste to say there's something "wrong" with being one... It's just abnormal

[Marie Monday]

Originally Posted by jwb

i mean it seems disingenous to suggest that it's just that many trans people choose to change their sex as if that's not like a major part of them being trans ... If you aren't trans there is no reason to change your sex.

I'm not saying it's not a major part. I'm distinguishing between whether it's birth sex that is being treated or trans identity. That's an important difference

[jwb]

Why would you need to "treat" someone's birth sex though? Doesn't that imply there's something "wrong" with it?

[jwb]

Originally Posted by Anteater

Well yeah it was a joke. Every trans person I know told me the therapies and surgeries suck. It's not a cakewalk. That's the joke - it's like a trial from the universe and they didn't ask for it. The thing around Chapelle's friend and the trans community's interactions there was what drove my original comment because there's an irony in their lack of empathy over a trans comedian's experiences over Twitter when they already know how hard it is.



In a lot of cases they want to transition but the circumstances just aren't ideal to make the jump. It's not a bad thing to do it or not do it, but you already agree with that.

the punchline of the joke is basically at their expense though bro be real about it

I could say the same joke about people with down syndrome and it would have the same connotation

[Anteater]

Originally Posted by Frownland

His point is that trans people are wrong for wanting to transition because some have had bad experiences with that, so we need a Final Solution to the Trans Problem and that involves recognizing their genetic inferiority. He's upset at the cultural bolsheviks weakening society to the point where they're unwilling to Fully Solve the Trans Problem.

Not at all. The final solution is to create therapies where you can either revert back to your birth sex with no side effects or surgeries or shift to a different sex (or orientation even) of your choice with no side effects or medication / surgery. All of that requires an understanding of genetics that we don't have right now, but that's where things are going.

[Anteater]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

I'd have banned him for claiming to have trans friends to win an argument but I guess you people need "proof" he's being dishonest.

Lol nobody "wins" arguments like this you dunce.

Originally Posted by jwb

yeah it is a loaded term but also it's tricky to me... Like being born a midget might also be a condition. There are obvious medical issues associated. Yet it would be in poor taste to say there's something "wrong" with being one... It's just abnormal

Your sexual orientation is a condition (the spectrum), as is your biological sex. People form identities based on their attachments to the conditions of their existence and environmental factors.

[Marie Monday]

Originally Posted by jwb

Why would you need to "treat" someone's birth sex though? Doesn't that imply there's something "wrong" with it?

omg yes of course, as opposed to there being something wrong with trans identity. That was my point

[jwb]

Imagine if you could transition within the course of 5 mins and then just transition back when you feel like it... Is there anyone here who wouldnt try taking a test drive as the opposite sex?

[jwb]

Originally Posted by Marie Monday

omg yes of course, as opposed to there being something wrong with trans identity. That was my point

based on what though? There's nothing wrong with their sex other than the fact that for whatever reason they dont identify with it. So saying there is something wrong with their sex is the same as saying there's something wrong with their trans identity. The problem with their sex is that it doesn't conform to said identity. And the same is true in reverse imo.