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Frownland 03-09-2023 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guybrush (Post 2229662)
Then why are you a moderator at all?

To protect and maintain the well-being of the forum. I reserve the right to take any actions I deem appropriate to ensure these forums are not disrupted or abused in any way

Guybrush 03-09-2023 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2229668)
To protect and maintain the well-being of the forum. I reserve the right to take any actions I deem appropriate to ensure these forums are not disrupted or abused in any way

Okay. Well, if it should turn out you're not doing a good job and are perhaps even making a mess of it, maybe you could protect and maintain the wellbeing of the forum by stepping down.

Just something you might wanna consider.

The Batlord 03-09-2023 07:10 PM

The only people who would complain about banning jwb are pedophiles.

Frownland 03-09-2023 07:11 PM

I've considered it (stepping down, not pedophelia) but more for inactivity than being a meanie to toxic members when I ban them. Maybe later.

Key 03-09-2023 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SGR (Post 2229666)
Watch again, and this time, pay close attention...

I did it SGR I did it!

Guybrush 03-10-2023 12:15 AM

Not specifically about Frowns, but if any mod doesn't give a **** about the rules or policy they're supposed to follow, they're constantly going to undermine each other's work. Moderation is gonna get chaotic, like it was here. A moderator who believes the rules are valid would have to sit and watch another moderator break those rules without a second thought because they have their own idea. You're gonna get in eachothers way and undermine eachother's work. Hence, if a mod is allowed to have their own policy that breaks with written or other policies, you basically can't have a policy.

It'sa little tiresome watching moderation here flailing, so even though I doubt anyone will give it a second glance or think of it as anything much more than douche-baggery, I'm gonna make a suggestion that I do think would be constructive if taken seriously.

The mod team could and should do the following:
  • Figure out what your goals for moderation is
  • Based on that, create something like a common policy and review the rules to match that
  • Set up a basic moderation guideline for how to deal with certain issues (like you should be using the infractions system as it creates a moderation log for each user)
  • Set up a system of threads or an IM group or a yearly meeting so that you can review the work you do and improve on it

Some upsides to this:
  • Moderating alone, you have to take responsibility for every mistake you make. Act as a team following a procedure, some of that weight is taken off because the fault may lie with the procedure. Your back is a little freer.
  • People will be have a much better idea of what to expect and how to behave in order to avoid some kind of sanction. That could improve behaviour across the boards.
  • It will be easier to turn to eachother for help because you're following the same procedure and pursuing the same set of goals
  • It could actually turn the mod team into a team instead of a bunch of rogue agents with mod powers

I know this probably comes off as real preachy stuff coming from an annoying know-it-all, but I hope any mod can see some sense in this. It doesn't mean you have to become draconic - there's nothing in here that says things need to be stricter - but it's a low hanging fruit that could drastically improve how this site is managed.

Frownland 03-10-2023 12:57 AM

Great suggestions. I'll advocate for some of the elements we don't already have in place for sure.

Trollheart 03-10-2023 05:25 AM

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WWWP 03-10-2023 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guybrush (Post 2229683)
Not specifically about Frowns, but if any mod doesn't give a **** about the rules or policy they're supposed to follow, they're constantly going to undermine each other's work. Moderation is gonna get chaotic, like it was here. A moderator who believes the rules are valid would have to sit and watch another moderator break those rules without a second thought because they have their own idea. You're gonna get in eachothers way and undermine eachother's work. Hence, if a mod is allowed to have their own policy that breaks with written or other policies, you basically can't have a policy.

It'sa little tiresome watching moderation here flailing, so even though I doubt anyone will give it a second glance or think of it as anything much more than douche-baggery, I'm gonna make a suggestion that I do think would be constructive if taken seriously.

The mod team could and should do the following:
  • Figure out what your goals for moderation is
  • Based on that, create something like a common policy and review the rules to match that
  • Set up a basic moderation guideline for how to deal with certain issues (like you should be using the infractions system as it creates a moderation log for each user)
  • Set up a system of threads or an IM group or a yearly meeting so that you can review the work you do and improve on it

Some upsides to this:
  • Moderating alone, you have to take responsibility for every mistake you make. Act as a team following a procedure, some of that weight is taken off because the fault may lie with the procedure. Your back is a little freer.
  • People will be have a much better idea of what to expect and how to behave in order to avoid some kind of sanction. That could improve behaviour across the boards.
  • It will be easier to turn to eachother for help because you're following the same procedure and pursuing the same set of goals
  • It could actually turn the mod team into a team instead of a bunch of rogue agents with mod powers

I know this probably comes off as real preachy stuff coming from an annoying know-it-all, but I hope any mod can see some sense in this. It doesn't mean you have to become draconic - there's nothing in here that says things need to be stricter - but it's a low hanging fruit that could drastically improve how this site is managed.

The problem is that no one currently modded has the time or drive to take on such an initiative. It’s a thankless job for sure, I felt it when I was a mod, but I have to wonder why cling on to mod status if you can’t invest your attention and care to such matters? There’s no shame in stepping down, there are active users that could fulfill the role and bring new energy to a tired team - thinking of SGR, Queen Boo, Synthgirl specifically - because nothing can flourish in an apathetic environment.

#DEMODFROWNLAND
#TERMLIMITSFORMODERATORS

Marie Monday 03-10-2023 08:04 AM

Eh speaking for myself only it's not clinging to mod status, I don't like the job. It's more that finding new mods often isn't easy and I figure a busy apathetic mod is still better than none. If we can make it feasible I actually think term limits is not a bad idea
#releaseusfromthisburden


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