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[Marie Monday]

no, because trans identity is something that exists regardless of transition. Some trans people opt for treatment of their birth sex, but being trans as such is not something to be treated. In case this is starting to sound nitpicky, it's especially relevant when it's implied that being trans is a state of confusion/identity crisis comparable to religious cultism

Originally Posted by jwb

Imagine if you could transition within the course of 5 mins and then just transition back when you feel like it... Is there anyone here who wouldnt try taking a test drive as the opposite sex?

oh definitely, I would be so into that

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by jwb

Imagine if you could transition within the course of 5 mins and then just transition back when you feel like it... Is there anyone here who wouldnt try taking a test drive as the opposite sex?

I'd ask a friend to take a test drive and then send them a dick pic.

[jwb]

Please batty we all know you'd be at the front of the line

[The Batlord]

Being an ugly, fat dude is cool though. Wouldn't want to be an ugly, fat chick.

[Anteater]

Originally Posted by Marie Monday

no, because trans identity is something that exists regardless of transition. Some trans people opt for treatment of their birth sex, but being trans as such is not something to be treated. In case this is starting to sound nitpicky, it's especially relevant when it's implied that being trans is a state of confusion/identity crisis comparable to religious cultism

oh definitely, I would be so into that

The point I was making about religion posts ago was that some people are born, brain chemistry-wise, with a stronger tendency toward religious thinking as they grow and mature. It's not just an environmental factor. The point there was that if you are born with that tendency as opposed to not, it's harder to shake something like that off as you get older.

Originally Posted by jwb

Imagine if you could transition within the course of 5 mins and then just transition back when you feel like it... Is there anyone here who wouldnt try taking a test drive as the opposite sex?

That's the Final Solution actually.

[Marie Monday]

Because trans identity needs to be shaken off

If you just wanted to make a nature vs nurture point taking cultism as an example is odd at best

[jwb]

Originally Posted by Marie Monday

no, because trans identity is something that exists regardless of transition. Some trans people opt for treatment of their birth sex, but being trans as such is not something to be treated. In case this is starting to sound nitpicky, it's especially relevant when it's implied that being trans is a state of confusion/identity crisis comparable to religious cultism

oh definitely, I would be so into that

you can say trans identity exists regardless of transition but so does sex. There would be nothing wrong with their sex if they didn't specifically feel like it clashes with their identity. Thus to say there's something wrong with their sex is implicitly acknowledging that they're is something negative about their condition. If they were born with the same exact sex but no trans identity issues then there would be no issue at all..

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Anteater

Not at all. The final solution is to create therapies where you can either revert back to your birth sex with no side effects or surgeries or shift to a different sex (or orientation even) of your choice with no side effects or medication / surgery. All of that requires an understanding of genetics that we don't have right now, but that's where things are going.

Treating them like people instead of broken, diseased, genetically inferior cultists will eliminate a great deal of the struggles involved with transitioning and the trans experience in general instead of asserting that they just have to be cisnormative because anything else is too "dangerous".

I'm sure this dialogue tree blew your mind when you saw it on reddit but it's pretty played out at this point.

[Marie Monday]

Originally Posted by jwb

you can say trans identity exists regardless of transition but so does sex. There would be nothing wrong with their sex if they didn't specifically feel like it clashes with their identity. Thus to say there's something wrong with their sex is implicitly acknowledging that they're is something negative about their condition. If they were born with the same exact sex but no trans identity issues then there would be no issue at all..

yeah but (apart from some trans people not finding treatment necessary, and at least my rule of thumb definition of an illness/disorder is that it needs treatment) the implication is that there is something wrong in the identity itself beyond the sex aspect. Re: religious cult etc.

[jwb]

We are getting extra nitpicky here but i also don't think condition implies it's something you can treat or even get over.

It just implies something sorta abnormal which causes issues.

But ironically enough i am not that married to calling it a condition like i said just seems like a semantic distinction to me but for the ones who undergo different forms of therapy or surgery that would definitely fall under the categorization of "treatment." Which you havent actually disputed we might just disagree on what is being treated. You frame it as the birth sex which is being treated where as i think it's whatever hang ups they have about their birth sex..