How Should MB Be Moderated?

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 06-10-2015, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Your points are shit because

Sometimes points are dumb enough to debunk that even someone like myself can do it without trying or caring about the concept being discussed.

i didn't actually make any equivalence though... you're just throwing out vague fallacies to sound smart. i wasn't making any sort of comparison between forum and the civil war, lol. i was questioning the principle that change needs to come from the hearts and minds of the people in general, and i used a quirky example because otherwise this issue is just so deathly boring it might as well be cspan

Guybrush · 06-10-2015, 12:21 PM

If you find it boring and tedious, why post here at all?

It's like pointing out that you don't care. Obviously you care enough to point out that you don't care.

**Frownland** · 06-10-2015, 12:22 PM

What about slavery? Kind of like this right?
Equates the thread to slavery.

What about the civil rights movement? Kind of like this right?
Equates thread to civil rights movement.

Like I said before I'm cool with you playing devils advocate all the time, just don't expect me to lay back and not say anything when your tactics become ****ty.

WWWP · 06-10-2015, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tore

If you find it boring and tedious, why post here at all?

It's like pointing out that you don't care. Obviously you care enough to point out that you don't care.

It's like complaining about sports fans when you're not a sports fan.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 06-10-2015, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

What about slavery? Kind of like this right?
Equates the thread to slavery.

What about the civil rights movement? Kind of like this right?
Equates thread to civil rights movement.

Like I said before I'm cool with you playing devils advocate all the time, just don't expect me to lay back and not say anything when your tactics become ****ty.

that might be an accurate criticism if roxy was only saying forum changes on musicbanter need to come from the hearts and minds of the people

but i know her well enough to know that she extends that logic into the real world and politics

so i was using real world examples to go against it

and you want brownie points for linking me to some wiki fallacy page instead of actually trying to engage in any kind of meaningful discussion

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 06-10-2015, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tore

If you find it boring and tedious, why post here at all?

It's like pointing out that you don't care. Obviously you care enough to point out that you don't care.

i thought roxy's post was pretty poetic tbh and i was just trying to **** with her a bit... and then frownland came in with his wikipedia knowledge and hipster beard and it turned into a cluster****

**Janszoon** · 06-10-2015, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wolverinewolfweiselpigeon

It's like complaining about sports fans when you're not a sports fan.

It's like complaining about the loud party your neighbor is having when you're not interested in loud parties.

**Frownland** · 06-10-2015, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

that might be an accurate criticism if roxy was only saying forum changes on musicbanter need to come from the hearts and minds of the people

but i know her well enough to know that she extends that logic into the real world and politics

so i was using real world examples to go against it

and you want brownie points for linking me to some wiki fallacy page instead of actually trying to engage in any kind of meaningful discussion

What does Roxxy have to do with this? Not to mention that fallacies are a concept because people use them when they are adhering to ****e logic. If I say that aliens are responsible for the elements of the forum that tore doesn't like, should I expect you to give tl;dr responses apart from 'that's ****ing stupid dude
? Of course not. The fact that what you're using is bad logic is enough to disprove your point.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 06-10-2015, 12:38 PM

well, i have been mostly absent in this thread/debate and i figured it was over anyway but i was interested in roxy's post so i started some ****

**Frownland** · 06-10-2015, 12:42 PM

Oh ok. I've been absent as well but I've still been halfassesly following it so I took interest in calling out your bad logic.

View Poll Results: Which statements do you agree the most with? (public poll)
1A. The rules should be applied equally to all members (ex. rules apply equally to mods and users)	15	60.00%
1B. The rules should NOT be applied equally to all members (ex. mods more lenient with regualrs)	8	32.00%
2A. Rules should apply equally to all forums	7	28.00%
2B. Rules should NOT apply equally to all forums (ex. "Safe Zones" less strict)	18	72.00%
3A. Outside safe zones, mod policy should allow for short, nonsense posts	10	40.00%
3B. Outside safe zones, mod policy should discourage short, nonsense posts	13	52.00%
3C. Outside safe zones, mod policy should prohibit short, nonsense posts	2	8.00%
4A. General mod policy should be to react to every instance where a rule is broken	10	40.00%
4B. General mod policy should allow for mods NOT to react to an instance where a rule is broken	15	60.00%
5A. Details of rule enforcement is ultimately between a mod and a user	7	28.00%
5B. Details of rule enforcement can ulimately be subject to other mods scrutiny	4	16.00%
5C. Details of rule enforcement can be subject to public scrutiny	16	64.00%
6A. For punishment, there should be a general policy to use temporary infractions	5	20.00%
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6C. There should be no general policy for how punishment is carried out	7	28.00%
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7B. For rule enforcement, moderators should use their personal accounts	21	84.00%
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9A. The mod team should be bolstered with additional mods.	13	52.00%
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9C. The current mod team should be retained.	17	68.00%
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06-10-2015, 12:21 PM	#112 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	If you find it boring and tedious, why post here at all? It's like pointing out that you don't care. Obviously you care enough to point out that you don't care. __________________ Something Completely Different

06-10-2015, 12:22 PM	#113 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	What about slavery? Kind of like this right? Equates the thread to slavery. What about the civil rights movement? Kind of like this right? Equates thread to civil rights movement. Like I said before I'm cool with you playing devils advocate all the time, just don't expect me to lay back and not say anything when your tactics become ***ty. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth.* d e a f b o x

06-10-2015, 12:42 PM	#120 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Oh ok. I've been absent as well but I've still been halfassesly following it so I took interest in calling out your bad logic. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

06-10-2015, 12:38 PM	#119 (permalink)
~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	well, i have been mostly absent in this thread/debate and i figured it was over anyway but i was interested in roxy's post so i started some ****