If you recognize that context and judgement will always play a role, then it seems like your proposals don't have much of a purpose.

A poorly chosen and loaded example then.

As I understood it, tore made his first poll which was accused of being loaded and very biased, so he, Freebase and Veganelica got together to write a more inclusive and fair one. If this is not that, then what is it? Has tore given up on his "New dawn for Music Banter" idea? And if so, is this just a suggestion box idea? I don't understand: to me, this was the first poll reworded and improved, basically tore's proposal 2.0? Am I wrong?
It was when we had to vote for a treaty that, essentially, took all our govt's autonomy away and allowed all major decisions for any European Union state to be taken by basically the powers in Europe, mostly Germany. After almost 100 years of freedom and independence, we signed it all away. But the first referendum was defeated by a big margin. Instructed by their European overlords that this would not do (though we were feted in many parts of Europe for having the guts to say NO!) they ran it again a few years later, loaded it with scaremongering and doomsday scenarios, and basically phrased it as much as "Do you want Ireland to take her place in the European community or would you rather she remained isolated?" Who's gonna vote no to that?

Yeah, I really don't understand where this has gone/is going now. :confused:
Drama does not equal fun nor the other way around. People know when to stop and you can't have everything serious all the time. Many of my threads have been derailed, it's just how it is. Unless the topic is ultra-serious, in which case off-topic posts should definitely be discouraged. We're heading back to Military School again, are we?
I woudl think the amount of posts considered offensive would be very small. Members (not spammers) are seldom actually offensive in my experience.
Batty plans for the movie rights! :laughing:
That happened in someone's journal, basically a battle of the GIFs. I asked it be stopped, and it was. It's not rocket science. If you stay silent then you're only contributing to the problem. Say your piece and be heard, that's how adults do it. Can't see a problem with that.

Oh, may I also ask is tore promoting drug use among the mods as policy? ;)

7A. For rule enforcement, moderators should use a joint

I think your activity here should drop if it gets out of hand. I don't think it'll get out of hand. Wait until you're actually uncomfortable with the rules before you leave. If these new rules get implemented, we might not even see a difference in things. Of course, new mods could be implemented and we could all be posting in a Nazi fascist message board come summer. I'll just wait to find out. I'll still be posting d*ck jokes where I can in the meantime.

Quite possibly the best opinion I've seen on the matter.

I too think this whole thing is being blown out of proportion. It takes the term "making a mountain out of a molehill" to a realistic degree. I'm all for discussion on these matters but Tore seems hellbent on creating some sort of constitution to not only his liking, but the liking of 6-7 members who don't feel comfortable around here anymore, compared to the 50 or so that love our atmosphere.

The last poll showed that the majority, by a large difference, don't want anything to change. I keep seeing "this is just for opinion" being thrown around. I don't think that's true. I feel like this is continuing because the majority of us don't want to get on board with this.

I see it like this.

Tore: You want this donut?
Vast Majority: No.

T: Don't worry. I'm just asking who wants the donut and who doesn't. It's just for opinion.
VM: Okay. We don't want the donut dude.

T: Have you seen the donut? It's got a lot of cool things that will make you REALLY like it. Here I'll show you...
V: We don't want the donut. We like what we are eating already.

T: I know. You're entitled to your opinion. If you really don't want the donut, you don't have to have it. It has sprinkles and powered sugar though. I feel it's the best option for your breakfast.
VM: WE DON'T LIKE DONUTS.

T: Right, but you see, some people over there like and are eating donuts. So, let's talk about the donut some more.
VM: FFFFFFFFFRRRRUMMSAARRRRRGGHGHAHGARRRRRRA

We've discussed this before, but perhaps you forget.

I believe what I wrote last time, or even the last two times, is that I don't think it should be all judgment and context. When a moderater is confronted with a user who has broken some rule in some common way, there should be some policy, guideline or precedent as to what the appropriate punishment should be. This makes the job easier. Dealing with common rule breaking shouldn't feel like solving some big dilemma. The unusual situations are what should call for that and this moderator will experience those too.

When there's no policy or guideline telling a mod how to deal with a certain situation, it makes it easier to not deal with it.

You had better!



Sorry for robbing your line, but this I believe now applies to you. Great description of what appears to be going on.
Remember the late great Mister Spock...
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(And yes, I'm aware of the irony of posting memes in a thread whose OP seems to dislike their use.)

All I know is, no matter what happens, I won't stop swearing, making bad jokes, and friendly name calling in threads that allow for it. That's part of the fun. However, if that becomes frowned upon, well...i'll take the infractions.

tl;dr, I agree with you, Exo.

Neither will I. My main focus in this whole thing is making sure that mods like Janz and Goof aren't replaced with new mods who suck balls. Even if the current mod team stays and new mods are introduced who suck balls, this will also be a failure.

As for infractions? Sucks to your infractions. I'm also just getting annoyed this whole thing is receiving so much attention after so many of us stopped wanting to talk about it. The conversation is only being seriously discussed by a few people but is being wheeled out as if it is the Poll/Discussion of the century.

You can keep going Tore. The people who are having the discussions can keep going. I'm just saying that it seems like the sail is losing a lot of wind and nobody seems to notice on the side of Tore.

Don't believe me? Hell, look at the votes. Look at my votes. I side with Tore on a lot of issues. It's just that this whole thing is just too much. There was never a real issue to begin with and these huge polls are just breathing fire on a match trying to turn it into a torch. It's never been a torch. It never will be.

anyone who reports a post is a bitch imo

Sorry. I didn't mean to say I've gotten infractions. Just saying that if I ever do for acting the way I do, I'll gladly take em. Can't say I'll learn anything if I do get them though.