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View Poll Results: Which statements do you agree the most with? (public poll)
1A. The rules should be applied equally to all members (ex. rules apply equally to mods and users) 15 60.00%
1B. The rules should NOT be applied equally to all members (ex. mods more lenient with regualrs) 8 32.00%
2A. Rules should apply equally to all forums 7 28.00%
2B. Rules should NOT apply equally to all forums (ex. "Safe Zones" less strict) 18 72.00%
3A. Outside safe zones, mod policy should allow for short, nonsense posts 10 40.00%
3B. Outside safe zones, mod policy should discourage short, nonsense posts 13 52.00%
3C. Outside safe zones, mod policy should prohibit short, nonsense posts 2 8.00%
4A. General mod policy should be to react to every instance where a rule is broken 10 40.00%
4B. General mod policy should allow for mods NOT to react to an instance where a rule is broken 15 60.00%
5A. Details of rule enforcement is ultimately between a mod and a user 7 28.00%
5B. Details of rule enforcement can ulimately be subject to other mods scrutiny 4 16.00%
5C. Details of rule enforcement can be subject to public scrutiny 16 64.00%
6A. For punishment, there should be a general policy to use temporary infractions 5 20.00%
6B. For punishment, there should be a general policy to use warnings, infractions / bans 16 64.00%
6C. There should be no general policy for how punishment is carried out 7 28.00%
7A. For rule enforcement, moderators should use a joint, anonymous account 4 16.00%
7B. For rule enforcement, moderators should use their personal accounts 21 84.00%
8A. A new moderation policy should have a trial run first (ex. 1 - 2 months) 18 72.00%
8B. A new moderation policy should NOT have a trial run first (implemented immediately) 5 20.00%
9A. The mod team should be bolstered with additional mods. 13 52.00%
9B. The mod team should NOT be bolstered with additional mods. 6 24.00%
9C. The current mod team should be retained. 17 68.00%
9D. Some or all of the current moderators should be replaced. 6 24.00%
10. Some of my concerns are not listed in the individual items, but I will voice them in a reply. 5 20.00%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 25. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-11-2015, 01:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I think it should be made illegal to say pointless truisms like this. The entire point of making our opinions public is so that we might compare and contrast them, and even possibly develop new opinions based on our experiences with conversing with others. Otherwise we might as well all just shut the **** up and not say anything to each other.
What are you talking about? Are you saying La Rox is not allowed her privacy? I'm saying it's her choice not to have her transgressions aired publicly, and her opinion that it would be a bad idea. What does that have to do with what you wrote? Are you high again or suffering tobacco withdrawal?
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You don't get to vote. You shot the president.

All joking aside, this is something of a serious point I have to make, which will probably annoy tore. It's not meant to: I did like tore (note the tense here) but the way he's conducted himself throughout this whole enterprise, essentially trying to push something on the community that a majority said they did not want (see Exo's incisive analogy) has forced me to rethink how I feel about him. Sad I know, but there it is.

Anyway, the thing is, I feel I would have given this whole proposal more attention, importance and significance if it had come from someone who's here all the time, be they mod or not. Someone I was used to talking to, or seeing talking, making threads, making jokes, doing reviews, joining in conversations. But for a long time now tore has been, to quote his usertitle (or his one up to a very short time ago) an "absent friend". He hasn't been involved with the community and I can't help but remember the last significant contribution he made, that I can recall, was when a little while back he invited anyone who wanted to to leave MB and join him in setting up a new forum. That didn't happen, and then a while later we get this.

So to my mind (whether right or wrong) it's like tore didn't get his new forum, so now he's trying to mould, bend and force this one into a shape he is comfortable with, while sadly tending to ignore the fact that so many people don't want that. This is the main reason why I don't agree with his proposal. It's like someone has been away for years and then comes home and says "I know how this place can be better." The initial reaction would be "Who the hell are you? You haven't been here for years." I know tore was/is a respected member and ex-mod, but to me this is just a little suspect, and it may be coincidence but I'm willing to bet it's not.

And I personally don't want (and again, I hope no offence is taken) someone who has not been here for years to come back and tell me how the place should be run, change it all up and then, by his own admission, perhaps leave and not even be part of it once it's been changed. I'm happy with MB as it is, which is why I will continue to oppose any attempts to significantly change it.

I would also like to know: is tore's proposal still alive because he said this poll was "something different". So what is it? I think I certainly at least, am still labouring to connect the two, and definitely feel the one is the product of the other. To put it in terms you Americans will be familiar with, it feels like it's a sneaky rider being attached to a bill?
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To put it in terms you Americans will be familiar with, it feels like it's a sneaky rider being attached to a bill?
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What are you talking about? Are you saying La Rox is not allowed her privacy? I'm saying it's her choice not to have her transgressions aired publicly, and her opinion that it would be a bad idea. What does that have to do with what you wrote? Are you high again or suffering tobacco withdrawal?
I don't give a **** what her opinion is or is not. If she wants her privacy, then that's fine (I think she's being goofy in this case, but whatevs), but just because she has an opinion doesn't mean it should automatically be respected (No offense, Roxy, I'm just talking about the respecting of opinions as a general principle.) The whole point of this exercise is to debate opinions, so when you voice an opinion here, it becomes free game to be dissected, studied, and then cast into the biohazard disposal thingy when it fails to hold up to scrutiny.
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I don't give a **** what her opinion is or is not. If she wants her privacy, then that's fine (I think she's being goofy in this case, but whatevs), but just because she has an opinion doesn't mean it should automatically be respected (No offense, Roxy, I'm just talking about the respecting of opinions as a general principle.) The whole point of this exercise is to debate opinions, so when you voice an opinion here, it becomes free game to be dissected, studied, and then cast into the biohazard disposal thingy when it fails to hold up to scrutiny.
Of course it should. You may not agree with it, but everyone's opinion deserves some respect. I still don't get where you're coming from, but sure let's just leave it at that rather than get into a big discussion about it. I'm sure she'll address it herself if she feels she needs to.
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Of course it should. You may not agree with it, but everyone's opinion deserves some respect. I still don't get where you're coming from, but sure let's just leave it at that rather than get into a big discussion about it. I'm sure she'll address it herself if she feels she needs to.
Really? So we should respect the opinions of Flat Earthers and people searching for Big Foot?
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Really? So we should respect the opinions of Flat Earthers and people searching for Big Foot?
Big Foot? I mean come on now folks really? Like are there mythical creature hopping around on one foot? ... or do they walk around on two feet? In all the "Big Foot" footage I've seen caught on video they were like tall humanoid creature walking on two feet. They really should be called Big Feet. I find the fact people calling them "Big Foot" little a bit annoying. But hey I respect their opinion if they believe they should be called "Big Foot." In my honest opinion I don't think they should be called "Big Foot." Still I respect the fact other people call them that.

And I think if we can respect scientist, who believe we live in a holographic universe, I think we can afford a little bit of respect for folks who believe the Earth is flat, cause it actually could be flat in a holographic universe, if those scientist are right.
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I don't give a **** what her opinion is or is not. If she wants her privacy, then that's fine (I think she's being goofy in this case, but whatevs), but just because she has an opinion doesn't mean it should automatically be respected (No offense, Roxy, I'm just talking about the respecting of opinions as a general principle.) The whole point of this exercise is to debate opinions, so when you voice an opinion here, it becomes free game to be dissected, studied, and then cast into the biohazard disposal thingy when it fails to hold up to scrutiny.
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I'd like to hear about the mod team discussion. After seeing the list that was posted of the mods/admins, I think it needs some updating.

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Somewhere in here there is a joke about cocoanuts and black people vs coconuts and white people.
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I'd like to hear about the mod team discussion. After seeing the list that was posted of the mods/admins, I think it needs some updating.



Somewhere in here there is a joke about cocoanuts and black people vs coconuts and white people.
You just wanna see Roxy's Coconuts.
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