Frownland

Let's back off of Soulflower too while we're at it.

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djchameleon

Just because the internet is that way doesn't mean you have to act like *******s and be just like every other denizen on the internet.

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Fame, fortune, power, titties. People say these are the most crucial things in life, but you can have a pocket full o' gold and it doesn't mean sh*t if you don't have someone to share that gold with. Seems simple. Yet it's an important lesson to learn. Even lone wolves run in packs sometimes.

Key

Anything posted on the internet is up for criticism, and that includes religion and sexuality, etc. If people can't handle it, they shouldn't be on the internet.

JGuy Grungeman

But there is respect to take into consideraton. Since when did the internet become a place where respect for others doesn't exist? Just because people can remain anonymous, that's an excuse? Or is it "standard practice?" If we have that attitude, what's to stop one guy from insulting anyone he wants no matter how hard? I'm up for free speech as much as the next guy, but there's gotta be a level of responsibility.

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Key

That's what mods are for, at forums specifically. Something goes too far, and it's dealt with. However, to say we should act a certain way on the internet is a bit farfetch'd. People can choose to take things personally or not, but that's not the persons fault if they aren't aware about somebody's sensitivity. Batlord, myself, and others at this forum tell bad jokes to each other all the time, and nobody says a thing. So, if it's really so wrong to do so, you'll have to get everybody at this forum to stop talking **** to each other, if that's how the internet should be run. I'm not going to live up to a higher standard than other people just because one person gets offended. That's their own fault for not expecting it. In mordwyr case, sure, it went a bit too far, and yes, a mod was involved, but that doesn't mean we should change the way we act altogether. He took it personally, and instead made it into this huge thing, instead of ignoring it and moving on.

JGuy Grungeman

Ignoring it and moving on is what creates this attitude in the first place. The fact that you specifically defended a bad attitude after things clearly got out of hand suggests you're intentionally denying respect. I never said respect was a rule, but it kind of confuses me when you'd rather be insulted to an emotional breaking point rather than be respected.

And don't you think the fact that everybody does it suggests that you're specifically following a common fad or rule to be disrespectful to others? Isn't it kind of an oxymoron to do the same thing everyone else does and then say that you're not going to change your attitude to what's "acceptible?" Obviously, a bad attitude has become more acceptible in this screwed up world.

If people are going to take jokes from others, we should take the time to know each other's sensitive areas. In fact, if you're wondering why "the world is so screwed up" like everyone says, it's little things like forgetting about respect because it's not common on the internet. Fixing it starts with the little things, like internet respect. I'm not pushing for a rule, but there's a reason I don't troll often. And if it's not second nature for you to be respectful and possibly thrive on it, that frightens me a little.

But the real problem in this specific situation isn't that. It's whether or not a moderator, someone's who's supposed to set an example for his subordinates, is willing to push a user to his emotional breaking point before the user flips out. And clearly, it causes the user to leave at times. it might be "common" or "standard practice" to troll people online, but it's also "standard practice" to put rat **** in hot dogs. And if I'm going to take any rat **** from anyone, I'd like for it to be a regular user instead of a moderator.

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Frownland

Mordwyr was also a massive baby, it doesn't take much to push him over the edge.

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Key

First of all, you're under the impression that I didn't defend mordwyr at the time of the incident. Look in the journal, I asked for the back and forth to stop, multiple times, then I figured it wasn't worth it, so I stopped. Then, when mordwyr announced he was leaving, I told him not to, and to stick around. Then, Frownland also admitted that he took things too far, so if you're thinking that nobody did anything about it, you're wrong. However, even now, it's being escalated into something that really isn't worth worrying about. We have a community of people that know people's limits, and again, if people's limits are touched, then it's to that person to say something instead of taking it too far like it has been done multiple times.

In my opinion, and i've been doing this forum thing for a long time. If both parties are not feeling disrespected from said joke, or comments, than it's doesn't fall under the category of "disrespecting others". You're wanting a forum to act a certain way, and not everybody is going to do it. To say that such a thing should exist is not something the internet as a whole is capable of. I'm not going to feel bad if I unintentionally hurt somebody's feelings, because first of all, they should grow a pair and grow up, and secondly, I don't know them personally, so it's not the end of the world. That's also why this forum specifically has an age requirement. Granted, the maturity level displayed at this forum is sometimes under what would be expected, but I have a good time here because of that. I don't have to be serious all the time and i'm not going to be expected to do so.

JGuy Grungeman

@Frown, That being said, isn't it also childish to intentionally tease users until they can't handle it? You know that you're the cause of the blow up. The fact that they are emotionally balanced may be their fault, but you're just being another cause of what makes this world screwed up, even if it is small. A bunch of small things add to something bigger. I'm not saying "down with trolling" or anything, because I do a little bit of it myself. But I'm not trying to make people cry. You're using his childish behavior and impatience as an excuse for your rude behavior. That makes you the more childish one.

@Ki I'm not expecting everyone to act respectful. What I am saying is that the last person to try and make people cry and leave the website is a moderator who's trying to draw in users. I've made it clear that I'm no trying to tell everyone what to do. You are right about me not realizin you defended him, but your message seemed to state that it's the user's own fault for being the victim.

Anyway, that's all I want to say. I'm just gonna finish with this: I'm not against trolling. Just going overboard with it. I'm not campaigning, just throwing in my two cents.

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Key

But that's just you throwing moderators into a specific pool, when all they do differently than regular members is clean up spam. I've been part of multiple forums where the moderators **** with the regular members on a daily basis. Just because their name is in blue, are the expected to never have a good time with certain members?