The Extended Throbbing Gristle Universe Hold Thee P-Orridge

Vandal X · 09-05-2025, 08:52 AM

A couple years ago I visited the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art. In the gift shop, even though there was absolutely nothing in the museum about Throbbing Gristle of Genesis P-Orridge, they had the book they had written. But not Cosey's book,

This really upset me.

Why? Her book is as important. Her book is much better written and is honestly a much better account of those years.

When people think of Throbbing Gristle I feel like Genesis is the fist think they think of. This is typical of groups with front men who are overtly eccentric and or very interesting.

But wasn't Throbbing Gristle supposed to break all of those rules.

It is so rare the four people of such vision and talent actually have a change to not just invent a new genre (when will this honestly happen again) but change music as we know it forever.

This thread is about Chris Carter, Cosey Fanni Tutti and Peter Sleazy Christopherson.

Their contributions to Throbbing Gristle and more so their contributions to a post Throbbing gristle world...that they created.

Chis Carter moved onto Chris and Cosey as well as several solo albums and soundtracks. He has invented several modulators that are still being used today.

Cosey moved onto Chris and Cosey as well as several solo albums....including here latest which came out this June and is AOTY material. She has written 2 books...both of which are phenomenal. They are making a movie based on her life. If you go back to any Throbbing Gristle release and listen to it and really think about the contributions from each member you will see that Cosey is almost always the blood coursing throughout. She really is what held it all together.

Oh man....Sleazy. Fuck. Obviously there is Coil. Which I honestly prefer to Throbbing Gristle. There is SoiSong and The Threshold House Boy Choir. But he also designed album covers....including Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here and Animals. He directed music videos. Several for Nine Inch Nails but also for Erasure, Sepultura, and Ministry. Don't get me started about the videos he did for Coil....They are all works of art.

So in short. Genesis truly was a larger than life genius and deserves all of the credit s/he gets.

BUT!

Chis, Cosey and Sleazy deserve just as much credit and praise.

Lets give it to them here.

jadis · 09-05-2025, 03:15 PM

No argument here. Gen was but one part of something bigger, and definitely not the most musically gifted part... Probably the least musically gifted member of TG, if I'm being completely honest. What Gen did have is a larger than life presence and prominence as a conceptual artist.

Right now my top three albums from the extended universe would be Horse Rotorvator, Trance by Chris & Cosey and Seven Songs by 23 Skidoo (co-produced by Gen and Sleazy). Not coincidentally, they have 0 songs written or sung by Gen.

I'd like to read Cosey's book, wasn't crazy about Gen's memoir either. What I'm really looking forward to read is a book about the synergy between Gen and William S. Burroughs called The Geometry of Suffering. Even if it doesn't live up to the promise, it's one of those books that sound too intriguing to not read.

Vandal X · 09-06-2025, 12:07 PM

I actually read Cosy's and Gen's books in tandem until the break up of Throbbing Gristle,,,,then I finished each separately. It was really interest to read the same story from two very different perspectives.

Yeah Nonbinary is very whimsical and very childish were Art Sex Music is very well written and very thought out about the events and about how she was feeling. I was very happy that she opted out of the documentary and them. I feel like it was done solely in respect of the dead and the legacy. S/He was a very controlling and manipulative person. I mean they did start a cult.

Her other book...Re-Sisters....is also very much worth a read especially if pioneering experimental and electronic music is your thing.

The docudrama she did for the BBC about Delia Derbyshire is amazing.

I could go on for days about Peter Christopherson Of throbbing Gristle and all the wonderous and amazing acts that came out of it Coil is my favorite. Coil is my desert island band. I honestly would not want to live if I was told I could never hear them again.

While i prefer their early albums specifically Horse Rotovator and Scatology...lately I've been spending a lot of time spinning everything Music to Play In The Dark to Ape of Naples. I think Black Antlers is the height of the later Coil sound.

Dais also recently released the two SoiSong (Peter and CoH) releases on vinyl for the first tiem ever and they sound amazing....so both of those have been getting pretty heavy play.

I literally ordered yesterday both Amulet and Forms Grow rampant from Threshold Houseboys Choir so I'm sure when those arrive they will be all I play for a week.

I absolutely love Peter as a director. I think the videos he did for NIN Broken are incredible as is the video for Refuse/Resist by Sepultura and Ministry's Over the Shoulder. The Coil videos are all works of art. If someone was to ever ask me about the AIDS crisis in the 80s I would tell them to watch Tainted Love and that would explain exactly what it was like.

jadis · 09-07-2025, 12:56 PM

Black Antlers has some beautiful music. Things We Never Had is one of the saddest things I've ever heard. Truly heartbreaking. One of the tracks was recorded at a Montreal show, must've been the 2003 one, when I still wouldn't have heard of them. So never got to see them live.

I discovered The Ape of Naples not that long ago, what a great album.

Such a long list, he was very prolific as a video director
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...D46EC8A126A06A

Vandal X · 09-07-2025, 02:25 PM

Wow. I was at that show. It was a part of some kind of festival but it was the only thing I attended. I was living in Baltimore and it was the only east coast date for the foreseeable future. John Balance unfortunately was not in attendance. But still got to see Peter and Thighpaulsandra and it was still a very magical night.

Yeah he has quite the resume of music videos. I honestly did not really know about that until a year or so ago. I knew he directed all the Coil ones and all of the Broken Nine Inch Nails videos. But I had know idea how all over the place he was.

jadis · 09-07-2025, 06:10 PM

That's so cool. Did you drive all the way?

Mutek is among the highlights of Montreal's festival season. Did you catch any other shows that year?

Vandal X · Yesterday, 08:38 AM

Yeah my friend Danny and I drove up and stayed with a friend I had that lived there. Naw we saw coil and drove back the next day. I can't remember is we stopped in New York on the way back. Those years were littered with substance abuse.

09-05-2025, 08:52 AM	#1 (permalink)
Vandal X Groupie Join Date: Aug 2025 Posts: 28	The Extended Throbbing Gristle Universe Hold Thee P-Orridge A couple years ago I visited the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art. In the gift shop, even though there was absolutely nothing in the museum about Throbbing Gristle of Genesis P-Orridge, they had the book they had written. But not Cosey's book, This really upset me. Why? Her book is as important. Her book is much better written and is honestly a much better account of those years. When people think of Throbbing Gristle I feel like Genesis is the fist think they think of. This is typical of groups with front men who are overtly eccentric and or very interesting. But wasn't Throbbing Gristle supposed to break all of those rules. It is so rare the four people of such vision and talent actually have a change to not just invent a new genre (when will this honestly happen again) but change music as we know it forever. This thread is about Chris Carter, Cosey Fanni Tutti and Peter Sleazy Christopherson. Their contributions to Throbbing Gristle and more so their contributions to a post Throbbing gristle world...that they created. Chis Carter moved onto Chris and Cosey as well as several solo albums and soundtracks. He has invented several modulators that are still being used today. Cosey moved onto Chris and Cosey as well as several solo albums....including here latest which came out this June and is AOTY material. She has written 2 books...both of which are phenomenal. They are making a movie based on her life. If you go back to any Throbbing Gristle release and listen to it and really think about the contributions from each member you will see that Cosey is almost always the blood coursing throughout. She really is what held it all together. Oh man....Sleazy. Fuck. Obviously there is Coil. Which I honestly prefer to Throbbing Gristle. There is SoiSong and The Threshold House Boy Choir. But he also designed album covers....including Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here and Animals. He directed music videos. Several for Nine Inch Nails but also for Erasure, Sepultura, and Ministry. Don't get me started about the videos he did for Coil....They are all works of art. So in short. Genesis truly was a larger than life genius and deserves all of the credit s/he gets. BUT! Chis, Cosey and Sleazy deserve just as much credit and praise. Lets give it to them here. Last edited by Vandal X; 09-05-2025 at 03:53 PM.

09-05-2025, 03:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
jadis Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: dont ask Posts: 1,715	No argument here. Gen was but one part of something bigger, and definitely not the most musically gifted part... Probably the least musically gifted member of TG, if I'm being completely honest. What Gen did have is a larger than life presence and prominence as a conceptual artist. Right now my top three albums from the extended universe would be Horse Rotorvator, Trance by Chris & Cosey and Seven Songs by 23 Skidoo (co-produced by Gen and Sleazy). Not coincidentally, they have 0 songs written or sung by Gen. I'd like to read Cosey's book, wasn't crazy about Gen's memoir either. What I'm really looking forward to read is a book about the synergy between Gen and William S. Burroughs called The Geometry of Suffering. Even if it doesn't live up to the promise, it's one of those books that sound too intriguing to not read. __________________ Wireless enthusiast intercepts government secret radio band and uncovers secrets and scandals of deceitful type proportions

09-07-2025, 12:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
jadis Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: dont ask Posts: 1,715	Black Antlers has some beautiful music. Things We Never Had is one of the saddest things I've ever heard. Truly heartbreaking. One of the tracks was recorded at a Montreal show, must've been the 2003 one, when I still wouldn't have heard of them. So never got to see them live. I discovered The Ape of Naples not that long ago, what a great album. Such a long list, he was very prolific as a video director https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...D46EC8A126A06A __________________ Wireless enthusiast intercepts government secret radio band and uncovers secrets and scandals of deceitful type proportions

09-07-2025, 06:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
jadis Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: dont ask Posts: 1,715	That's so cool. Did you drive all the way? Mutek is among the highlights of Montreal's festival season. Did you catch any other shows that year? __________________ Wireless enthusiast intercepts government secret radio band and uncovers secrets and scandals of deceitful type proportions

09-06-2025, 12:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
Vandal X Groupie Join Date: Aug 2025 Posts: 28	I actually read Cosy's and Gen's books in tandem until the break up of Throbbing Gristle,,,,then I finished each separately. It was really interest to read the same story from two very different perspectives. Yeah Nonbinary is very whimsical and very childish were Art Sex Music is very well written and very thought out about the events and about how she was feeling. I was very happy that she opted out of the documentary and them. I feel like it was done solely in respect of the dead and the legacy. S/He was a very controlling and manipulative person. I mean they did start a cult. Her other book...Re-Sisters....is also very much worth a read especially if pioneering experimental and electronic music is your thing. The docudrama she did for the BBC about Delia Derbyshire is amazing. I could go on for days about Peter Christopherson Of throbbing Gristle and all the wonderous and amazing acts that came out of it Coil is my favorite. Coil is my desert island band. I honestly would not want to live if I was told I could never hear them again. While i prefer their early albums specifically Horse Rotovator and Scatology...lately I've been spending a lot of time spinning everything Music to Play In The Dark to Ape of Naples. I think Black Antlers is the height of the later Coil sound. Dais also recently released the two SoiSong (Peter and CoH) releases on vinyl for the first tiem ever and they sound amazing....so both of those have been getting pretty heavy play. I literally ordered yesterday both Amulet and Forms Grow rampant from Threshold Houseboys Choir so I'm sure when those arrive they will be all I play for a week. I absolutely love Peter as a director. I think the videos he did for NIN Broken are incredible as is the video for Refuse/Resist by Sepultura and Ministry's Over the Shoulder. The Coil videos are all works of art. If someone was to ever ask me about the AIDS crisis in the 80s I would tell them to watch Tainted Love and that would explain exactly what it was like.

09-07-2025, 02:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
Vandal X Groupie Join Date: Aug 2025 Posts: 28	Wow. I was at that show. It was a part of some kind of festival but it was the only thing I attended. I was living in Baltimore and it was the only east coast date for the foreseeable future. John Balance unfortunately was not in attendance. But still got to see Peter and Thighpaulsandra and it was still a very magical night. Yeah he has quite the resume of music videos. I honestly did not really know about that until a year or so ago. I knew he directed all the Coil ones and all of the Broken Nine Inch Nails videos. But I had know idea how all over the place he was.

Yesterday, 08:38 AM	#7 (permalink)
Vandal X Groupie Join Date: Aug 2025 Posts: 28	Yeah my friend Danny and I drove up and stayed with a friend I had that lived there. Naw we saw coil and drove back the next day. I can't remember is we stopped in New York on the way back. Those years were littered with substance abuse.