Ambient, industrial, noise, etc...

TockTockTock · 01-13-2012, 06:21 PM

I have a question that has been on my mind for the past couple of days... Would any of you consider industrial music to be a sub-genre of rock or would you say it's simply influenced by it? You know... much like jazz was influenced by ragtime, marching band music, and early forms of blues... or how noise (for the most part) was influenced by free improvisation, rock, and electronic/electroacoustic music.

Any thoughts?

Above · 01-14-2012, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Pat

I have a question that has been on my mind for the past couple of days... Would any of you consider industrial music to be a sub-genre of rock or would you say it's simply influenced by it? You know... much like jazz was influenced by ragtime, marching band music, and early forms of blues... or how noise (for the most part) was influenced by free improvisation, rock, and electronic/electroacoustic music.

Any thoughts?

Some subgenres of Industrial music are pretty rock influenced, yeah. Coldwave, or "machine rock" being the prime example. Bands like Chemlab and 16 Volt.

16 Volt are a weird band like that, because some songs will be pretty heavy, good songs to play live, and some will be very minimalistic and electronic; the kind DJs could easily play in clubs.

jackhammer · 01-13-2012, 06:39 PM

I personally think that Industrial in it's original ideology wanted to be the complete antithesis of Rock.

If anything it could be compared to free form Jazz in that the purpose was to break down traditional structures and reassemble them as it sees fit.

I think the problem with Industrial as a tag is that Rock and Metal has become synonymous with it due to bands assimilating the often cacophonous nature of Industrial music and that the essence of Industrial music has since become very distorted.

If you listen to Einsturzende Neubauten's album Kollaps it is easy to equate it to Rock music due to the pummeling nature of the sounds they created but I certainly think that the whole idea behind it was to be diametrically opposed to that sort of music.

bob. · 01-14-2012, 10:06 AM

i could not agree with jackhammer more

i think in the beginning of "industrial" the concept was to create something new that was not influenced at all by anything music wise....especially rock.....and its there in the earlier bands ....i mean Throbbing Gristle is by far much more influenced by ABBA and 60s Psychedelic pop much more than traditional "rock"....i heard an interview with Gen not to long ago whwere he states how upset the four of them were becoming because within their own experiment they were being pinned as being one certain way....which he said they were that way....i think it was nihilistic...but there was much more complex layers to what they were doing.....

and yeah when i listen to Kollaps....which is actually pretty often....although there is obvious use of traditional "rock" instruments.....ie guitar and bass....they are hardly used in the conventional way

i'm trying my hardest to think of whaen the typical "industrial" sound and rock music really started to blend so wel.....although i don't think its the first....its probably one of the most influential albums....but Ministry's The Land of rape and Honey seems to me to be a big change for the genre as a whole

TockTockTock · 01-14-2012, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bob.

i'm trying my hardest to think of whaen the typical "industrial" sound and rock music really started to blend so wel.....although i don't think its the first....its probably one of the most influential albums....but Ministry's The Land of rape and Honey seems to me to be a big change for the genre as a whole

I'm thinking either Cabaret Voltaire's Red Mecca or some of Foetus' early work.

Above · 01-14-2012, 10:08 AM

Industrial is a very loose term and it's hard to pin down just what defines it, but it's one of those things where you KNOW something's Industrial when you hear it.

bob. · 01-16-2012, 09:32 AM

i have never personally considered foetus as an industrial band

**Janszoon** · 01-16-2012, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bob.

i have never personally considered foetus as an industrial band

He's a pretty mixed bag but some of his stuff definitely fits the bill.

bob. · 01-16-2012, 09:53 AM

i agree 100%......esp. with the earlier stuff....

Mondo Bungle · 04-02-2012, 11:33 PM

Does this forum have a minimalist guy?

01-13-2012, 06:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	I personally think that Industrial in it's original ideology wanted to be the complete antithesis of Rock. If anything it could be compared to free form Jazz in that the purpose was to break down traditional structures and reassemble them as it sees fit. I think the problem with Industrial as a tag is that Rock and Metal has become synonymous with it due to bands assimilating the often cacophonous nature of Industrial music and that the essence of Industrial music has since become very distorted. If you listen to Einsturzende Neubauten's album Kollaps it is easy to equate it to Rock music due to the pummeling nature of the sounds they created but I certainly think that the whole idea behind it was to be diametrically opposed to that sort of music. __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

01-14-2012, 10:06 AM	#4 (permalink)
bob. Still sends his reguards. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Trying to get out of the cat town.... Posts: 5,039	i could not agree with jackhammer more i think in the beginning of "industrial" the concept was to create something new that was not influenced at all by anything music wise....especially rock.....and its there in the earlier bands ....i mean Throbbing Gristle is by far much more influenced by ABBA and 60s Psychedelic pop much more than traditional "rock"....i heard an interview with Gen not to long ago whwere he states how upset the four of them were becoming because within their own experiment they were being pinned as being one certain way....which he said they were that way....i think it was nihilistic...but there was much more complex layers to what they were doing..... and yeah when i listen to Kollaps....which is actually pretty often....although there is obvious use of traditional "rock" instruments.....ie guitar and bass....they are hardly used in the conventional way i'm trying my hardest to think of whaen the typical "industrial" sound and rock music really started to blend so wel.....although i don't think its the first....its probably one of the most influential albums....but Ministry's The Land of rape and Honey seems to me to be a big change for the genre as a whole __________________ A kiss is the beginning of cannibalism. Reach out, pierce the fine fabric of the sheltering sky, take repose.

01-14-2012, 10:08 AM	#6 (permalink)
Above Oh my golly! Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: England Posts: 339	Industrial is a very loose term and it's hard to pin down just what defines it, but it's one of those things where you KNOW something's Industrial when you hear it. __________________ Be pure, Be vigilant, Behave

01-13-2012, 06:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
TockTockTock They/Them Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,914	I have a question that has been on my mind for the past couple of days... Would any of you consider industrial music to be a sub-genre of rock or would you say it's simply influenced by it? You know... much like jazz was influenced by ragtime, marching band music, and early forms of blues... or how noise (for the most part) was influenced by free improvisation, rock, and electronic/electroacoustic music. Any thoughts?

01-16-2012, 09:32 AM	#7 (permalink)
bob. Still sends his reguards. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Trying to get out of the cat town.... Posts: 5,039	i have never personally considered foetus as an industrial band

01-16-2012, 09:53 AM	#9 (permalink)
bob. Still sends his reguards. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Trying to get out of the cat town.... Posts: 5,039	i agree 100%......esp. with the earlier stuff....