Strategies Against Architecture - The Avant Garde/Experimental Album Club

OccultHawk · 04-17-2011, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by clutnuckle

i won't be able to participate for a few more weeks due to particularly taxing obligations, but it's still nice to read up on the most recent threads. i'm jealous of the selections i'll likely be missing out on :/

Just catch up on them a few weeks later or whenever you have the time. Bump the old threads; that's what they're there for!

OccultHawk · 04-17-2011, 04:53 AM

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others had used harsh dissonance before him

Name one Western musician who used that level of dissonance before before 1910.

starrynight · 04-17-2011, 07:54 AM

And how do you measure dissonance? Some pieces I like by Ives aren't dissonant really anyway. So all I care about is whether I like the music not some technical details.

OccultHawk · 04-17-2011, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by starrynight

And how do you measure dissonance? Some pieces I like by Ives aren't dissonant really anyway. So all I care about is whether I like the music not some technical details.

Whatever. You said that others used harsh dissonance before him but you can't back that up because he pioneered its use in that form. I never said he only uses dissonance and it's not a 'technical detail'. It's crucial knowledge for anyone interested in avant garde music.

starrynight · 04-17-2011, 09:04 AM

But in what form? The use of dissonance in music could go back to Jean-Fery Rebel's The Elements, Haydn's Creation, Mozart's Dissonance Quartet. Ives uses it apparently as a contrast to tonal elements in some of his pieces as well. Prokofiev may have done some early dissonant piano pieces.

One area Ives may have been original - if it really matters - is polytonality. Not sure many composers since have really used that technique (again, if it really matters whether it's influential or not).

I think the crucial knowledge for people listening to experimental music is really just getting used to a style a piece of music is in That could be classical, jazz, electronica or other kinds of music

OccultHawk · 04-17-2011, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by starrynight

But in what form? The use of dissonance in music could go back to Jean-Fery Rebel's The Elements, Haydn's Creation, Mozart's Dissonance Quartet. Ives uses it apparently as a contrast to tonal elements in some of his pieces as well. Prokofiev may have done some early dissonant piano pieces.

One area Ives may have been original - if it really matters - is polytonality. Not sure many composers since have really used that technique (again, if it really matters whether it's influential or not).

I think the crucial knowledge for people listening to experimental music is really just getting used to a style a piece of music is in That could be classical, jazz, electronica or other kinds of music

The form I mean is traditional instruments for an orchestra.

Those are good examples, especially Rebel (I need to learn more). Haydn, too, has really surprised me. Still, I don't think these composers made anything like the clashing dissonances of Ives but we should probably save it for when my nomination wins the vote.

OccultHawk · 04-21-2011, 06:50 AM

I'm disappointed about how this thing is already almost dead.

dankrsta · 04-21-2011, 07:05 AM

Yeah, it's been going slowly lately. As for me personally, I'll add my comments, review on the Konstantin Raudive album soon. The spring holiday is coming for me, so I'll have more time to really dive into albums. But really, we listened and commented on some 12 albums so far, so it's not that bad.

OccultHawk · 04-21-2011, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dankrsta

Yeah, it's been going slowly lately. As for me personally, I'll add my comments, review on the Konstantin Raudive album soon. The spring holiday is coming for me, so I'll have more time to really dive into albums. But really, we listened and commented on some 12 albums so far, so it's not that bad.

Cool. I appreciate you doing all this and getting it going. Even if it ebbs and flows or even ebbs and ebbs and ebbs and flows a little let's stick it out and and keep it up.

dankrsta · 04-23-2011, 03:13 AM

The poll is up!

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04-17-2011, 09:04 AM	#5 (permalink)
starrynight Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 937	But in what form? The use of dissonance in music could go back to Jean-Fery Rebel's The Elements, Haydn's Creation, Mozart's Dissonance Quartet. Ives uses it apparently as a contrast to tonal elements in some of his pieces as well. Prokofiev may have done some early dissonant piano pieces. One area Ives may have been original - if it really matters - is polytonality. Not sure many composers since have really used that technique (again, if it really matters whether it's influential or not). I think the crucial knowledge for people listening to experimental music is really just getting used to a style a piece of music is in That could be classical, jazz, electronica or other kinds of music Last edited by starrynight; 04-17-2011 at 10:23 AM.

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starrynight Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 937	And how do you measure dissonance? Some pieces I like by Ives aren't dissonant really anyway. So all I care about is whether I like the music not some technical details.

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	I'm disappointed about how this thing is already almost dead.