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Lisnaholic 05-18-2017 07:35 PM

If you try Frownland's suggestion, you'll discover that Safe As Milk is a really easy listen, compared to Trout Mask. A couple of tracks are a little weak and dated, but there are plenty of good ones, so keep going until the fabulous closer, Electricity.

Frownland 05-19-2017 07:46 AM

I think you mean Autumn'a Child, but Electricity is the best song on the album after Abba a Zabba. I recommend listening to the reissue though, Tristan. It has a lot of cool bonus tracks from Mirror Man and Strictly Personal that are all great.

Lisnaholic 05-19-2017 03:43 PM

Oops! Didn't realize how many years it's been since I played Safe As Milk - I've completely forgotten the running order of the tracks, but yes, Abba Zabba is another stand-out track for sure. I haven't heard those cd bonus tracks, so I might see if they're on YouTube.
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Dali's Car was the first TMR track that Beefheart composed - at the piano, with John French as the long-suffering assistant trying to annotate and transcribe for the band what Beefheart was playing. The track was supposedly inspired by Stravinsky, so here's a Stravinsky piece, transcribed for piano.
We can compare: Dali's Car (which went from piano to guitar) and Symphonies of Wind Instruments (which has gone from woodwind to piano).

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Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 05-19-2017 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Tristan Rosenstock (Post 1836130)
Do I need to leave MB for feeling indifferent about Trout Mask then?

im kinda with you. i mean, i like TMR, but i could definitely live without. it was cool the first few times, but since then i've rarely came back to it.

safe as milk is the **** tho

Frownland 05-19-2017 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1837461)
im kinda with you. i mean, i like TMR, but i could definitely live without. it was cool the first few times, but since then i've rarely came back to it.

safe as milk is the **** tho

Try coming to it a few more times, junior.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 05-19-2017 04:02 PM

meh. if it doesn't stick after like, a good 7 or 8 listens, i don't expect it to ever stick.

Frownland 05-19-2017 04:06 PM

You heard what I said.

Maybe preface it with some general Delta blues obsession/education.

Mondo Bungle 05-19-2017 07:37 PM

still playin this on a semi regular basis


Frownland 05-19-2017 07:57 PM

That's a goodie.

Not counting his notation of the madness, I think that Suger 'n' Spikes has Drumbo's greatest moment at 1:54 (it's also one of the things that made me return to the record when I first heard it).


Lisnaholic 05-21-2017 06:17 AM

That's a complicated bit of drumming, but it didn't strike me especially when I first started listening to TMR. First drumming that I particularly noticed was on the end section of Pachuco Cadaver.(That's the part that uses the irresistable riff from "Shortnin' Bread.") Drumbo is doing a great job on the cymbals from about 2:30 onwards.

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Some amazing lyrics on this track too:-

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When she wears her bolero then she begin to dance
All the pachucos start witholdin' hands
When she drives her Chevy, sissies don't dare to glance
Yellow jackets 'n red debbles buzzin' round her hair, hive-ho
She wears her past like a present
Take her fancy in the past
Her sedan skims along the floorboard
Her two pipes hummin' carbon come
Got her wheel out of a B-29 Bomber, Brody knob amber
Spanish fringe 'n talcum tazzles forever amber
She looks like an old squaw Indian
She ninety-nine, she won't go down
Avocado green 'n alfalfa yellow adorn her to the ground
Tattoos 'n tarnished utensils, a snow white bag full o' tunes
Drives a cartoon around
Drives a cartoon around
Broma-Seltzer blue umbrella keeps her up off the ground
Round red sombreros wrap her high tap horsey shoes
When she unfolds her umbrella, pachucos got the blues
Her lovin' make me so happy
If I smiled, I'd crack my chin
Her eyes are so peaceful, thinks it's heaven she been
Her skin is as smooth as the daisies
In the center where the sun shines in
Smiles as sweet as honey
Her teeth as clean as the combs where the bees go in
Who she walks flowers surround her
Let their nectar come into the air around her
She loves, her love sticks out like stars
Her lovin' stick out like stars
Unless I'm mistaken, Pachucos were the hip young Mexican immigrants hanging around in the US in the fifties. FZ used to go to their dances and copy their music I think.


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