pc issue of the day pt. 4:33 isn't music

Trollheart · 07-06-2015, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I understood what he was saying. He was using visual art as a metaphor for how 4'33 was music. It wasn't that complicated.

And JWB does bring up a good point. If you had no idea what 4'33 was, and just stumbled upon a recording of it, with no orchestra to observe, you would never understand that it was supposed to be music and not just a blank tape. If you have to be told that it's music...

It's performance art.

So, the people with the different opinions, then. Gotcha. Cause that's what art is all about. Agreement.

Sure you did.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

For the same reason that we didn't liquidate the term "painting" because of people like Pollock and Rauschenberg. It doesn't necessarily comply with convention, but that doesn't push it out of the range of an umbrella term.

Ah crap! Now umbrellas are art???

Frown, it's the Family Sleeping Peacefully argument. You find art and music in such weird places that it's virtually impossible to know when you're not being serious. I mean, if anyone --- anyone --- else had said that about the painting I would have assumed it was a joke. You, not so much. If someone else said "I broke all the strings off my guitar and then played a solo. It was so avant-garde!" I would laugh with them. If you said it, I'd assume you were being serious. As I said, your pretentious nature precludes anything you say being too ludicrous to be actually serious, so I never know when you're joking.

Had I assumed the painting was a joke, and it turned out not to be, you'd be all up in my face about "how do I know what's art?" and so on. So I assumed you were in earnest. Absolutely no way to know, as several people here have already pointed out.

I don't really care: just stop telling me I can't detect humour or sarcasm when, when applied to you, this can be literally impossible at times.

Edit: also, does nobody else think that if someone were to come across this 4:33 on a video or DVD and played it, not being aware of its existence, that they might start fiddling with the volume on their telly thinking it was broken?