pc issue of the day pt. 4:33 isn't music

**Frownland** · 07-06-2015, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

The audience's intention is not to make music. That is Cage's intention, and since the audience is the focus of the piece and they are the one's making the musical sounds to be interpreted as music then in order for it to be music they should be intentionally participating or attempting to make music, which they are not.

The thing is, that wasn't Cage's intentions since the bolded is true in most cases, but not all. The audience isn't the only thing that can make noise.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

._. You just totally danced around the question. If you're going to say it's both, then you still have to show that it's one and the other, without just being either or.

Where in the Debating 4'33" Handbook is this rule?

It's music because John Cage said that it was music and it has the basic qualification of using sound (the sounds of the environment). What makes it performance art about music is that it was making a statement about what music can be by stretching it to its furthest limits and saying that any sound could be musical if one is in the right mindset.

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