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Chula Vista 09-22-2018 11:27 AM
Please break down Krautrock for me.
 
And provide some essential listening while you're at it. Late to the party, but this genre now intrigues me.

(P.S. I didn't get into The Beatles until the early 80s, and The Stones until about 10 years ago.)

Exo 09-22-2018 11:29 AM
Why is this in electronica? lol.

MicShazam 09-22-2018 11:30 AM
Because he really needs someone to explain krautrock to him.

Chula Vista 09-22-2018 11:34 AM
I googled and Kraftwork came up. Aren't they considered electronica???

HELP ME!!!!
http://www.the-filmreel.com/wp-conte.../07/fly_02.jpg

(Ex, move this thread to where it should be. Thanks.)

Aux-In 09-22-2018 11:35 AM
It's when the DJ hands out sauerkraut at raves.

Exo 09-22-2018 11:36 AM
This is better than the Prog/Psych sub so it stays here.

rostasi 09-22-2018 11:59 AM
I don't want to discourage anyone from exploring new areas,
but I just want to say that everything that "krautrock" represents
sits in complete opposition to what I know of your personal tastes.
Basically, the British and American ideas of blues and rock 'n' roll
are completely antithetical to the German rock movement starting
in the late 60s. But, of course, if you're open to its openness of form,
then there are some well-produced videos out there on YouTube
that will open that mysterious, kosmische door.

Chula Vista 09-22-2018 12:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rostasi (Post 1999305)
Basically, the British and American ideas of blues and rock 'n' roll are completely antithetical to the German rock movement starting in the late 60s.
I'm really typecast around these parts. I listen to much, much more stuff than I guess I've represented here. Blues rock is definitely my foundation since that's what I grew up with during the young formative teenage years, but I've expanded a LOT since then.

Bring it on bucky! :thumb:

MicShazam 09-22-2018 12:04 PM
It's still energetic music with drums and guitars. If you take that perspective, it might as well fit Chula like a glove.

Exo 09-22-2018 12:05 PM
Knowing your taste chules...I'd start with Can and Gila and take it from there. Not sure if Popol Vuh or Faust would please your ear but it may.

Frownland 09-22-2018 12:17 PM
I bet Chuler would dig Yeti

Chula Vista 09-22-2018 12:24 PM
Just listened to the Can track Future Days and loved it. Streaming the whole album now.

Exo 09-22-2018 12:37 PM
Tago Mago and Ege Bamyasi are their best and most accessible imo.

grindy 09-22-2018 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1999315)
Tago Mago and Ege Bamyasi are their best and most accessible imo.
Dunno about Tago Mago being accessible...
Aumgn and Peking O are pretty out there.

Exo 09-22-2018 12:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1999317)
Dunno about Tago Mago being accessible...
Aumgn and Peking O are pretty out there.
I thought about actually taking Tago Mago out of my post because I agree with you. I left it because if I can like that record at 15 years old in the midst of my emo/screamo phase then Chules should be able to enjoy it as well.

Psy-Fi 09-22-2018 12:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1999298)
And provide some essential listening while you're at it. Late to the party, but this genre now intrigues me.

(P.S. I didn't get into The Beatles until the early 80s, and The Stones until about 10 years ago.)
I'm not too surprised that you're only now starting to explore krautrock but I'm actually quite surprised by this.

grindy 09-22-2018 12:52 PM
Tago Mago is one of the very best albums in the history of music and is definitely mandatory listening.

Exo 09-22-2018 12:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1999323)
Tago Mago is one of the very best albums in the history of music and is definitely mandatory listening.
Somebody once told me that In the Court of the Crimson King was a better record than Tago Mago and I almost nut sacked him.

grindy 09-22-2018 12:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1999324)
Somebody once told me that In the Court of the Crimson King was a better record than Tago Mago and I almost nut sacked him.
Tago Mago is on a different level than pretty much everything else.
Sometimes it genuinely scares me.

Chula Vista 09-22-2018 03:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Psy-Fi (Post 1999322)
I'm not too surprised that you're only now starting to explore krautrock but I'm actually quite surprised by this.
Coming from a starting point of Zeppelin, Sabbath, Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Mountain, Free, Prog & Fusion, etc., both the Beatles and Stones didn't interest me one bit at that time.

It was so awesome coming around to both bands later on.

rostasi 09-22-2018 03:51 PM
I've yet to hear a complete album from any of those bands mentioned just above.

Lisnaholic 09-22-2018 08:53 PM
I'd agree that Tago Mago is a good album to start with, Chula; it has the feel of a studio jam, which I imagine you'd enjoy. After that, here's a collection of MB threads I put together once:-

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1461761)
Two attitudes seem to recur when people mention Krautrock on MB:-
(i) old-timers who`ve seen it all five years ago groan at the prospect of yet another Krautrock thread
(ii) newcomers can`t find threads about Can or other Krautrock bands and they restart old discussions all over again.

Krautrock is also a genre that people can`t quite decide on, and threads turn up in the avant-garde / metal and prog sections of MB, though the majority of thread starters have chosen this Prog Rock sub-forum for their threads. Anyway, I thought an index might clarify things for Krautrock fans - all they have to do now is find this post, haha.

Krautrock threads:-
http://www.musicbanter.com/avant-gar...utrock-11.html - extensive thread started in 2008
http://www.musicbanter.com/rock-meta...rock-week.html -this worthy thread very quickly became Krautrock For Advanced Students and focuses on the obscure fringes of Krautrock.
http://www.musicbanter.com/avant-gar...-top-10-a.html - good if you want lists of bands; short on analysis
http://www.musicbanter.com/prog-psyc...krautrock.html - a short thread exploring modern bands that aren`t German. Is that still Krautrock?

Krautrock Bands:-
http://www.musicbanter.com/avant-gar...n-duul-ii.html
http://www.musicbanter.com/avant-gar...12316-can.html
http://www.musicbanter.com/prog-psyc...201-faust.html
http://www.musicbanter.com/prog-psyc...15942-neu.html
http://www.musicbanter.com/rock-meta...rammstein.html
http://www.musicbanter.com/electroni...ine-dream.html

Krautrock Albums:-
http://www.musicbanter.com/avant-gar...tago-mago.html
http://www.musicbanter.com/album-rev...er-2004-a.html

Chula Vista 09-22-2018 11:05 PM
^^^^^^^

:yikes:

Thanks!

Oriphiel 09-23-2018 02:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1999371)
Free
*dive bombs through the roof and lands on your couch*

Did you say Free?

Lisnaholic 09-23-2018 06:34 AM
For a while I lived in a town 30 miles from London, and the countryside around the town was popular with rock stars who were buying their first mansion. I was friendly with a guy whose friend lived right near Paul Rodgers' house. This friend-of-a-friend used to feed PR's dogs when he was on tour and one night I was right there, sitting in a car outside PR's house while the guy went in to feed the dogs! Mega-cred for me, amirite?

Janszoon 09-23-2018 08:59 AM
Hey Chula, my two cents here is that you might really dig the album Deluxe by Harmonia:

rostasi 09-23-2018 09:15 AM
The title track from that album gets so much play around here,
that I get worried that my wife will some day permanently strap
some headphones on me with this song playing and set me outside
the house like a porch goose.

The Batlord 09-23-2018 09:49 AM
Porch goose?

Oriphiel 09-23-2018 09:57 AM
Is there some sort of intentional meter to Rostasi's posts?

'Cause if so, ****, that's some dedicated foruming. Makes me wanna post only in iambic pentameter.

The Batlord 09-23-2018 10:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1999500)
Is there some sort of intentional meter to Rostasi's posts?

'Cause if so, ****, that's some dedicated foruming. Makes me wanna post only in iambic pentameter.
Western poetry?
A plebeian posting style
You wack ****ing bitch

Frownland 09-23-2018 10:09 AM
Migos flow>iambic pentameter

rostasi 09-23-2018 10:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 66Sexy (Post 1999496)
Porch goose?
http://tinyimg.io/i/Eqn5mzs.jpg

Oriphiel 09-23-2018 10:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 66Sexy (Post 1999503)
Western poetry?
A plebeian posting style
You wack ****ing bitch
Western poetry?
Lol, an oxymoron, bro.
Now suck my meter.

The Batlord 09-23-2018 10:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rostasi (Post 1999511)
... Okay thanks!

Chula Vista 09-23-2018 10:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1999311)
I bet Chuler would dig Yeti
Nope.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1999324)
Somebody once told me that In the Court of the Crimson King was a better record than Tago Mago and I almost nut sacked him.
Listening to it now. So far not digging it. A little too loose and the guitar tones suck.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1999467)
*dive bombs through the roof and lands on your couch*

Did you say Free?
Sure. Huge fan of Kossoff. I'm sure I've asked you before if you've ever heard Back Street Crawler.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1999487)
Hey Chula, my two cents here is that you might really dig the album Deluxe by Harmonia:
Up next.

The Batlord 09-23-2018 10:46 AM
I find it funny that Chula got interested in krautrock as an electronic sub-genre but not as a prog sub-genre.

Chula Vista 09-23-2018 10:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 66Sexy (Post 1999524)
I find it funny that Chula got interested in krautrock as an electronic sub-genre but not as a prog sub-genre.
Well, I haven't really a clue what I'm talking about now, do I?

I long for the days when music was either Rock, Pop, Blues, Jazz, Classical, Country, Heavy Metal, or Gospel.

How many genres are there these days? More than a thousand? Ten thousand?

Janszoon 09-23-2018 10:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1999527)
I long for the days when music was either Rock, Pop, Blues, Jazz, Classical, Country, Heavy Metal, or Gospel.
Which one of those genres did mambo fall under back then?

The Batlord 09-23-2018 11:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1999527)
Well, I haven't really a clue what I'm talking about now, do I?

I long for the days when music was either Rock, Pop, Blues, Jazz, Classical, Country, Heavy Metal, or Gospel.

How many genres are there these days? More than a thousand? Ten thousand?
I'm not actually mocking you, it's just ironic that one of the prog guys here just so happens to be getting into a genre for seemingly an assbackwards reason. If all I knew of krautrock was Kraftwerk then I'd think it was electronica too and I'm sure I did think that at some point. But considering your original intention you should check out Die Mensch Maschine (the German version) as that's probably what you thought you were in for. It's stellar.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjta...FDB030F3AD6F16

rostasi 09-23-2018 11:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1999505)
Migos flow>iambic pentameter
If I wrote in triplets, I could be the Lord Infamous of the forum!


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