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Inuzuka Skysword 02-27-2007 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WolfishSmile (Post 297104)
Mogwai are abit classical, not a massive amount though... With a mix of some percussion in there...

Mogwai are post-rock.............


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Trans Siberian Orchestra is kinda like that, though they play alot of christmas music, they also have beethoven's last night which has beethoven and mozart on it as well
Yes, but the music is symphonic metal because of the instruments it uses.

jennajameson 04-06-2007 07:28 PM

I think there is, including rachmaninov.

allisonthepianist 05-03-2007 02:50 PM

The term "Classical" generally refers to the Western tradition coming from Europe. There is another meaning of the word refering to the 'Classical Period' of time - think Mozart, Beethoven, etc...that time period. Saying Modern Classical is not a contradiction because its the same as saying modern Jazz or modern Rock....its ok to say it if you are referring to Classical as a Genre. Modern Classical composers makes use of the same tools that old composers used centuries ago...they just put a modern spin on it and change with the times. And no...PLEASE don't ever say that Enya...Yanni...or any other NEW AGE artist is Classical....they may say they are...but they are NOT. They are just TOO LAME!

yurshta 09-04-2007 09:15 AM

Yes there is and it's called Neo-Classical
 
Neo-Classical is used for different things: modernist classical, or modern music but in older styles like my own work which you can listen to at no cost at musicofthegods.com. The website is called Neo-Classical Jazz, but there are no Jazz compositions there, but some elements of Jazz do end up in a piece or two. The predominantly piano solos are some of the most advanced pieces since Liszt's Transcendental Etudes. The 5 plus hours of music contains piano/organ and piano/cello duets, two piano Concerti (and you thought nobody wrote them anymore.) There are also eight Neo-Baroque pieces which are reminiscent of the counterpoint and fugue style of Bach or the early Mozart. [Mozart's A minor fugue in his Fantasy and Fugue in C Major is one of the world's greatest four voice fugues. I love it! Big influence.]

Yes, quite a few composers still write pieces that are totally in older classical styles like Baroque, true classical or Neo-Romantic. Some of Vangelis' pieces would classify as Neo-Classical.

However, there are some other styles called Neo-Classical or Neoclassical that are actually something else. In some cases these are modern pieces combining jazz, modernist, classical, and pop elements combined with Electronica and usually synthesized. I'd say Yanni is one of the Electronica types, although a critic called his music "lush orchestral wallpaper" which is about what it is.

There was also a Neo-Classical movement that existed during the Romantic period where some composers prefered the true Classical forms. Some of Franz Schubert's, Mendelsohn's, Scriabin's and Satie's pieces are true Neo-Classical.

My own style is somewhat eclectic blending sometimes more than one style in a single piece for rather strange effects. Hope this clarifies things.

Sincerely, Yurshta

GuitarBizarre 01-26-2008 06:08 PM

I consider things like Nobuo Eumatsu to be Modern Classical. Very much based on older ideas and themes but with an ear for detail and the modern conventions of flouting the rules. One of the main reasons I much prefer his works to a lot of German Tradition works is because he's not afraid to do whatever he wants within the boundaries of the piece.

Seltzer 01-28-2008 04:44 AM

Soundtrack artists often get tagged as being classical; i.e. Jeremy Soule.

Gelid 02-02-2008 11:32 AM

Alright... here's a question kind of related to this topic, but I'm not sure it merits its own thread: Is classical music necessarily instrumental?

The reason I ask this is there is a quartet of women who call themselves Anonymous 4, who interprit and record/perform "a cappella" medieval chant and other music and polyphony from the middle ages. They were topping the classical music charts in 1993, before the release of "Chant: The Benedictine Monks Of Santo Domingo de Silos.

I believe they can be considered classical and thus modern classical, as they are current, but I'm not too knowledgable of this genre.

ObiSobi 02-17-2008 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ForgottenHero (Post 27225)
I agree. It's a contradiction. It's not classical yet, because it's modern. that would be like if someone decided to come out with a "modern" oldies album. you know?

Not true, as Classical Music is a genre, not a time when all music sounded like that.

We hardly call old folk songs "Classical Music", because although they are classic music from hundreds of years ago, they are not classical music.

Some of my favorite composers are living amoung us today, namely Matt Gates, John Williams and Danny Elfman.

Some of my all time favorite composers died not long ago, or hundreds of years ago, it doesn't matter.

reallygreatidea 02-20-2008 09:55 AM

Well, you've all got an answer...and you all ahve a different one. So which one is right?

monellia 02-24-2008 11:52 AM

I find contradiction can be avoided by referring to such music as "orchestral", regardless of the era in which it was composed. I refrain from using genres altogether, though. For me, "classical" music refers to a time, not a style. The term "contemporary classical" is just a bollocks paradox which highlights how ridic genres are.

monellia 02-24-2008 04:20 PM

The description of this forum is deserving of a lol

Necromancer 02-28-2008 12:38 AM

lol.....zzzzzz:yikes:

Vandyman 03-03-2008 05:28 AM

I think the original question may have been much more simple. I think the question may have been able to be changed to "Is there any good new orchestra music out there?"

Deepislandboy 06-20-2008 06:16 PM

Many cities have their own orchestra's and symphonies. Like the Vienna Philharmonic.

clavis 06-26-2008 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ddpeaks (Post 13941)
I used to have an album, one of those "pure moods" albums and I loved it. Along the lines of classical rock. Had Tubular Bells and such like on it. Would you still class it as classical music or is it pushing too far toward mainstream music???

On the words alone, "modern classical" is an oxymoron... self-contradictory. On the generic use of the words, "classical" would be re-worded to be "serious music". And so yes, there are "modern serious music".... and it depends on how "serious" you want to music to be. As far as I know, Beatles' music are deep and serious, so are the various songs from Sound of Music, or some of Celine Dion's songs.

Ok, my point is, the terms can be all relative. The usual sense of "classical" means the music lasts the test of times, trends, and fashion. So if we refer to music by Mozart or Beethoven, sure, they survived centuries are still favored by some music lovers of our times. Modern compositions, however, have yet to undergo this test of time. We have seen "oldies" that are still enjoyed by some music lovers, so in a sense, these "oldies" are just as "classical" as Beethoven. (ducking... blaspheme unintended)

The "serious" of the "serious" are, perhaps, those into Expressionism, Pointilism, Minimalism, Neo-Classicism, or any other "-isms" that you can name. From my limited knowledge, look for music by Schoenberg, Webern, (for Expressionism), Philip Glass (early works, for Minimalism), Prokoffief (Neo-Classicism)

Regards.

Sikiapaninishmashma 08-17-2008 12:00 AM

there is such thing, go to san francisco to enter the scene. intensity seems to be a large contributing factor. i agree that it seems contradictory. classical music seems to have become defined by the instrumentation rather than the time period. classical music is always seriously constructed. i guess as long as you follow along the proper guidelines of symphony or sonata etc. it can be classified as such.

MoxieMan 08-23-2008 06:08 PM

Umm, maybe you are referring to "NeoClassical" music?

In that case, composers like Ennio Morricone and John Williams should do it for ya.

classylady 09-09-2008 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ManOverboardBand (Post 185470)
technically no, but there should be.

Actually, there really is a vast presence of modern classical period music out there. I'll give one fantastic example:

John Tavener's The Whale

This composer does take some influences from late Romantic Period, but it's really extraordinary what he has accomplished: Especially due to the fact that he's a British Composer: There weren't too many great composers from The UK when you look as far back as Early Baroque...

Oh yeah, there's a tidbit I forgot to mention: He got Knighted 8 years ago for his contribution to music...

Thrice 09-09-2008 11:47 AM

I like taking classical pieces and modernizing them on the piano.
I also call them all the same thing; 'A modern classic 1' etc....
My last was Franz Shubert (sp?) La Serenade and pretty much making it real sick.

classylady 09-09-2008 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Thrice (Post 516200)
I like taking classical pieces and modernizing them on the piano.
I also call them all the same thing; 'A modern classic 1' etc....
My last was Franz Shubert (sp?) La Serenade and pretty much making it real sick.

That's a really good tune, but extremely sad IMHO. What did you add to it? I can see adding some Classical Guitar to back up some of the harmonics and even someone playing something soft like a muffled trumpet.

Oh to go back to my original post on this thread, another modern composer that I forgot to mention was Billy Joel: He wrote a series of classical pieces early in the decade that actually hit #1 on the classical charts. The name of the CD is Fantasies and Delusions: It's actually pretty good!

Astronomer 10-23-2008 05:27 PM

What if a musician composed a piece of music that was identical to a classical piece, involved all and only elements that classical music has. And they composed it today. What would it be considered?

loldongs 11-03-2008 09:25 AM

I would count this very famous song, "Lux Eaterna" by Clint mamsell (?!) as modern classic. It's from Requiem for a Dream and it's been very famous over the past couple of years.


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