The Batlord

No you're not.

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jadis

Am too

The ugliness is an integral part of the MTF story, for sure. Part of its beauty, if you like. But that someone's self-declaration can obliterate the sexual dimorphism of our species in the minds of so many, and that upholding this fiction becomes a marker of virtue, that is much more interesting than an ugly bloke in a dress.

Synthgirl

Of course you’re not interested in hearing from actual trans people or anything. Because I and others have given you plenty of answers to what you’re asking, and you still insist on playing dumb.

The Batlord

There's the ignorant and there's the enemy.

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jadis

I'm interested in hearing from everyone, I'm an insatiably curious person. What you're asking for is that I subbordinate my understanding of the world to the mind-numbing talking points of trans activism about "identity"

Thirty years ago, a guy attracted to women calling himself a "lesbian" was a crude mysoginist joke. Now it's an article of faith that must not be challenged. How did we get from A to B is a fascinating question, to which the trans activist response ("progress") is evidently unsatisfying to many.

Synthgirl

Exactly, you have the answers, you just don't accept them. And frankly, the endless amount of snide remarks you pepper your 'questions' with tells me your mind has been made up for a very long time and does not give me the impression that you care to make any attempt to learn or understand.

And yeah, generally learning about something means changing your understanding of the world. It did give me a bit of a chuckle that you think this wasn't a thing 30 years ago though, as someone who is close to my own 20th anniversary of coming out as trans.

jadis

I have zero doubt that middle aged blokes dressing up in women's clothes was a thing 30 years ago. The innovation is that now they go on BBC Midlands to cry about someone rejecting their idea of themselves as women, in the expectation of sympathy and punitive consequences for those who have no interest in playing along. That's the new bit.

Judging from the reactions to the BBC segment, the British public is of the view that the emperor is not simply naked, but that he's naked because he likes to show his junk in public.

The Batlord

Judging by the BBC versus actual polling of the public it sounds to me like the public is just kind of confused about what trans people are talking about rather than being outright hostile, while the BBC is made up of the same clique of wealthy *******s who have always thought Hitler had some interesting ideas.

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jadis

Sympathy for the Nazis among the British upper classes was a very real phenomenon between the wars and even during WW2. But to imply that something of that (beyond the odd collector of Nazi memorabilia who wouldn't get anywhere near the BBC) has survived the fall of the Nazi regime and the full scale revelations of what it perpetrated is only possible when you get your history from memes, not books.

jadis

One of my top five favorite things about trans ideology is how transparently sexist it is.