Rishi Sunak says 'a man is a man and a woman is a woman'

jadis · 01-01-2024, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Synthgirl

Trans people are not a monolith, most of us don’t dress like that all the time, and that includes me. This is me last night, no “feminine stereotypes”, still a woman. We’re multifaceted three dimensional human beings.

The last thing I'll deny Eddie Izzard is being multifaceted. You can be a delusional narcissist and be as talented as him. There's (was?) so much more to him than the crude charade he's putting up now.

My one time friend who transitioned during Covid is also very talented and multifaceted.

While I absolutely adore news stories about what I shall call here "Portland style MTFs,"* I've never said all or most MTFs are like that. Doesn't change my mind in the slightest about the political agenda.

*the wilding out types

elphenor · 01-01-2024, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jadis

There are two very different relationships to gender stereotypes in this photo. You see women who don't need to resort or subscribe to any gender stereotypes to "perform" femininity because that's just what they are, each in her own ways. And you see... well, something else. Someone whose sole link to femininity is those accessories.

very obtuse

obviously she wants her physical appearance to match her gender and so has to put more into that than a typical cis woman

this varies person to person just like with anything else related to women and physical appearance

jadis · 01-01-2024, 02:36 PM

In the 1970s, the then-new term "gender" meant a bundle of norms, stereotypes and expectations faced by women and men respectively and it was seen as something to subvert. Now, "gender" is used to mean an intangible inner essence that, in the social realm, can only be expressed in relation to stereotypes. Thus, stereotypes are not subverted but reified.

That's how you get the sinister recent invention of "a trans child": if a girl doesn't like dolls and dresses that's how it is known she is really a boy.

Synthgirl · 01-01-2024, 04:23 PM

.

elphenor · 01-02-2024, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jadis

In the 1970s, the then-new term "gender" meant a bundle of norms, stereotypes and expectations faced by women and men respectively and it was seen as something to subvert.

according to who specifically?

social sciences began to recognize gender as separate from sex as early as the 1960s

although it's simply an observation and study of the way people have communicated for hundreds of years

Paul Smeenus · 01-02-2024, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor

according to who specifically?

social sciences began to recognize gender as separate from sex as early as the 1960s

although it's simply an observation and study of the way people have communicated for hundreds of years

hi elph

Synthgirl · 01-02-2024, 11:29 AM

Trans kids are not a “recent” thing. I came out as trans and was diagnosed with gender dysphoria 20 years ago, and I know plenty of people who came out as kids before that. And the use of the word “invention” is once again dismissing and delegitimizing trans people. Inventions have to be invented by someone. Whose “invention” are we exactly?

The Batlord · 01-02-2024, 02:09 PM

With the way trans people live rent free in jadis' head he's either an egg or a chaser. If there's one new post on this forum, guaranteed it's him terf-posting.

jadis · 01-10-2024, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor

according to who specifically?

social sciences began to recognize gender as separate from sex as early as the 1960s

although it's simply an observation and study of the way people have communicated for hundreds of years

According to the followers of the most influential feminist thinker of the 20th century, who famously wrote in 1949 that "One is not born, but rather becomes, a woman" (she didn't use the word "gender", it was coined a bit later). Caused a huge furror at the time, though today it's seen as rather tame, I think. Anyway "the big idea" of mid 20th century feminism was to reject stereotypes of "femininity." Whereas the trans movement of today appears to take them arguably more seriously than they've ever been taken before.

It's not "simply an observation" lol it's a momentous philosophical revolution.

I have to know, why "hundreds of years"?

jadis · 01-13-2024, 11:32 PM

Police drop guidance allowing trans officers to strip search people of the opposite biological sex

Quote:

The National Police Chiefs’ Council said it was conducting a ‘thorough’ review of its guidance on searches after concerns for women's safety

01-01-2024, 04:23 PM	#144 (permalink)
Synthgirl Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2023 Location: Cheeseland USA Posts: 154	. Last edited by Synthgirl; 01-02-2024 at 06:51 AM.

01-01-2024, 02:36 PM	#143 (permalink)
jadis Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: dont ask Posts: 1,232	In the 1970s, the then-new term "gender" meant a bundle of norms, stereotypes and expectations faced by women and men respectively and it was seen as something to subvert. Now, "gender" is used to mean an intangible inner essence that, in the social realm, can only be expressed in relation to stereotypes. Thus, stereotypes are not subverted but reified. That's how you get the sinister recent invention of "a trans child": if a girl doesn't like dolls and dresses that's how it is known she is really a boy.

01-02-2024, 11:29 AM	#147 (permalink)
Synthgirl Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2023 Location: Cheeseland USA Posts: 154	Trans kids are not a “recent” thing. I came out as trans and was diagnosed with gender dysphoria 20 years ago, and I know plenty of people who came out as kids before that. And the use of the word “invention” is once again dismissing and delegitimizing trans people. Inventions have to be invented by someone. Whose “invention” are we exactly?