boo boo

*Epic face palm*

That's not what I meant at all, I said I'm against hate crime legislation.

However. I think killing someone because they wronged you somehow or pose some kind of threat to you or your loved ones, is a more reasonable/justifiable crime than simply because of their race, gender, religion, sexual preference, whatever.

That's what I was saying.

But that's just my opinion, except for in certain cases, I don't think it's the legal systems right to judge how "immoral" a murder is and compare them to each other. The problem with hate crime laws is, if you killed a person for any random reason, because of some irrational hatred, as a lot of psychopathic killers do, then that should qualify as a hate crime. Killing someone because he thinks Dane Cook is funny is just as much of a crime as killing a person because of his race.

I mean these people probably judge only by the skin color, so even if the reason you killed a guy is because he porked your wife, if he's a black guy, it could be called a hate crime even if his race had nothing to do with it. And that's wrong. If you kill a person, the severeness of that crime shouldn't be rated by the color of the victims skin.

It implies that the lives of minorities are more valuable than the lives of white people.

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Kamikazi Kat

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic there. The "logical reason" he was stating was being a douchbag. I can somewhat understand you not seeing the sarcasm but I tend to see a lot of humor in Boo's posts so I tend to spot it.

Comus

Hate crime legislation is ridiculous end of. As has been pointed out before, the assault is the crime, not the motive, there is no such thing as thought police (yet) so usually motive is hard to determine. And no one would admit to hate crime knowing full well it would come with a larger penalty. I find the suggestion of Hate Crime legislation to be racist in itself for cases like assault, murder etc. Same with harassment.

Also lol at mirrorball.

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CanwllCorfe

I hit yes for some reason until I read through and this is really making me think things differently. I think it's cause I live in a redneck town where a lot of kids are racist and our local fair has stands that exclusively sell confederate flags.. not a US one to be found. I despise it.. but that's free will. I agree that they should be punished equally because everything else is freedom. That's like saying racists should get more time simply because they're racist.. a bit hypocritical isn't it. I'm probably stating things that have been said over and over again but I'm just putting in my 2 cents.

JKSmith

Oh, I see. No to committing them, plus how would you know their intentions?

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sleepy jack

If they're a member of a white supremacist group (British National Party, Ku Klux Klan, etc.) and killed a black guy it's pretty obvious why they did it. If they're a known Neo-Nazi and killed a Jew it's pretty obvious why they did it. If they're Jimmy Page and he killed someone with talent it's pretty obvious why he did it.

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JKSmith

Hehe, that would be friggin hilarious if I wasn't a Led Zep fan.

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LOVE, on the other hand, does cause PROGRESS. Or, at least some type of MORAL MOTIVATION does. Without one of these, there would be no WARS, no REVOLUTIONS, no RISE or FALL of societies, groups or belief systems." --JK Smith

Astronomer

It depends what the punishment is. I think people should definitely get more jail time for certain crimes. The other day I was reading a newspaper article about this guy who raped 3 teenage girls (under 18) and 2 children (under 13) at knifepoint and he only got 9 years. It made me sick.

Scarlett O'Hara

I think rape and pedophilia really should get put on the harshest penalty list. It's beyond imagination to why people could violate others (especially children) in such a way. I'd rather be murdered than raped. I have to admit I have no sympathy for those men who get beaten up in jail because they are pedophiles. Even criminals get that it's beyond animal behaviour.

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Disgusting

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