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View Poll Results: Hate Crimes?
Yes 14 34.15%
No 22 53.66%
I Don't Know 2 4.88%
I Don't Care 3 7.32%
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Old 04-13-2008, 06:30 PM   #131 (permalink)
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Freedom of expression means expressing it which is pretty broad seeing as it can go from a simple "I hate" to killing someone.
Saying I hate someone isn't a crime though.


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That's not a problem with hate crimes thats a problem with the Judiciary system. Once again, do some research.
It's a lot harder to prove someone's motive than to prove what they did.
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Old 04-13-2008, 06:31 PM   #132 (permalink)
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Saying I hate someone isn't a crime though.
...and you don't get punished for it...

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It's a lot harder to prove someone's motive than to prove what they did.
Then they don't get charged, I'd like for you to back up this claim that most people punished for a hate crime were charged on it with a lack of evidence.
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Old 04-13-2008, 06:34 PM   #133 (permalink)
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I hate hate....

*universe collapses in on itself*
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Old 04-13-2008, 06:34 PM   #134 (permalink)
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Agreed, there's no difference between "Man kills man found cheating on wife" isn't as bad as "Man killed man just because he was black."
The real question is if it was premeditated or not. Did the person know in advance they had an intent to kill the person or was it spur of the moment without them being in their usual frame of mind? Not that either makes the killing better, but its pretty much what defines a first degree and a second degree murder.
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Old 04-13-2008, 06:35 PM   #135 (permalink)
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...and you don't get punished for it...
Nvm misread your post.


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Then they don't get charged, I'd like for you to back up this claim that most people punished for a hate crime were charged on it with a lack of evidence.
I'm not claiming that though. I'm pointing out how ridiculous it is to try and enforce something like hate crimes.
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Old 04-13-2008, 06:37 PM   #136 (permalink)
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I'm not claiming that though. I'm pointing out how ridiculous it is to try and enforce something like hate crimes.
Yes you were.

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Most hate crimes that are committed there's no evidence for.
I'm assuming by committed you mean convicted because committed wouldn't make any sense.
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I'm not claiming that though. I'm pointing out how ridiculous it is to try and enforce something like hate crimes.
Most of the time its obvious... For instance, someone trying to make a statement ie KKK. However if its not entirely obvious then I agree, they should not be charged for it.
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Well, I don't really follow politics or anything and I don't know much of law (though it is interesting), but I'll throw in my 'uneducated' opinion here.

I don't think that a racially motivated murder should merit a greater punishment than a murder committed for any other reason. Manslaughter is a different matter altogether, but I don't believe in greater punishment for hate crimes.

The difference between someone who commits a racial hate crime and someone who keeps racist thoughts bottled inside their head is that one is committing a crime and the other isn't. So I don't see why the former should be punished for the crime AND being racist while the latter should live forever out of reach of the long arm of the law. I don't think people should think racist thoughts, but it is their prerogative to think what they want.
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Old 04-13-2008, 09:20 PM   #139 (permalink)
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Yes you were.
No, I'm not. I'm saying that there can't really be any material evidence of a hate crime (Except KKK membership or something like that) , and that you can't really judge someone's motives. Hence you'd only end up prosecuting a miniscule number of crimes motivated by hate of a sexuality/gender/race.
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No, I'm not. I'm saying that there can't really be any material evidence of a hate crime (Except KKK membership or something like that) , and that you can't really judge someone's motives. Hence you'd only end up prosecuting a miniscule number of crimes motivated by hate of a sexuality/gender/race.
Yes you did, your quote said that exactly.

And god if you're not even going to read my post why bother? They don't do this "Oh what? The victim was Christian...but the murderer he was an atheist? Slap a hate crime on it!" There's more to it than that which you seem to have a very hard time grasping.
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