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ProggyMan 04-12-2008 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by sweet_nothing (Post 468500)
That's the dumbest thing ever when you're under the influence of drugs or alcohol you have know idea of what you're doing it's called blacking out
If you're high/drunk enough to kill someone then you need more than 10 years prison sentence imo.

sleepy jack 04-12-2008 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 468507)
If you're high/drunk enough to kill someone then you need more than 10 years prison sentence imo.
Killing someone in an altered state of mind when you have no idea what you're actually doing is worse than killing someone in a clear state of mind when they're completely aware of their actions?

Predator 04-12-2008 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 468499)
Yeah but what about involuntary manslaughter? What if you were on a roof and you leaned and some rubble fell off and killed someone? By your logic they deserve to the same punishment as someone who loaded up their shotgun and went and blew someones head off. You also ignored the second half of my post, I requote "In addition to that if you killed someone who was shooting up a school I'd guess you'd have to go to jail for murder than right?"
You are nitpicking and looking for a reason to discount his opinion when the reasons you are pointing out don't apply.

He is saying murder. Intentionally killing someone. Manslaughter is not in the discussion. Whipping out your .45 and killing somebody for being *** or black or mexican or winking at your wife or stealing your car or selling your sister meth. It is murder. It is intentionally taking another life. The reason doesn't change the end result.

ProggyMan 04-12-2008 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 468506)
Yeah but "they deserve to face trial for what they did. Not why they did it." Both murdered people.
You can take anything to an extreme to prove a point. There's a line that you cross, in this case self-defense and intention are the two lines.

sleepy jack 04-12-2008 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 468510)
You can take anything to an extreme to prove a point. There's a line that you cross, in this case self-defense and intention are the two lines.
You're contradicting yourself though you'd said the why isn't important its the what. I'm just pointing out the giant flaw in your argument.

ProggyMan 04-12-2008 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 468508)
Killing someone in an altered state of mind when you have no idea what you're actually doing is worse than killing someone in a clear state of mind when they're completely aware of their actions?
Not morally, but in terms of it's effect on society, yes.

Predator 04-12-2008 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 468506)
Yeah but "they deserve to face trial for what they did. Not why they did it." Both murdered people.
Yes, face trial for what they did. Not be sentenced based on why they did it.

sleepy jack 04-12-2008 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 468513)
Not morally, but in terms of it's effect on society, yes.
Morality is subjective and what effects on society?

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Originally Posted by Predator (Post 468514)
Yes, face trial for what they did. Not be sentenced based on why they did it.
I'm just using Proggy's logic.

ProggyMan 04-12-2008 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 468512)
You're contradicting yourself though you'd said the why isn't important its the what. I'm just pointing out the giant flaw in your argument.
Predator beat me to it.

ProggyMan 04-12-2008 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 468515)
Morality is subjective and what effects on society?
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The effect of someone dying...Who was attacked...


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