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Old 02-28-2018, 11:46 AM   #10031 (permalink)
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Unions are not typically out to protect first year anyone that much is true

Union I was apart of didn't protect workers for their first 6 months or so a probation period

you can get better deals for senior employees this way
The UAW was taking bribes from Chrysler and was in on using corrupt distorted interpretations of bankruptcy laws and negotiating **** contracts in crazy legalese to cheat lifetime employees out of their retirement benefits. The retirees are still ****ed and the high level union reps, lawyers, and CEOs are still living large.

The unions are just another hierarchy.
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Old 02-28-2018, 11:47 AM   #10032 (permalink)
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Like if you're the employer you're less excited to give in to benefits if it means you can get stuck with expensive bad employees
**** the employer
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Old 02-28-2018, 12:49 PM   #10033 (permalink)
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The unions are just another hierarchy.
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Old 02-28-2018, 01:00 PM   #10034 (permalink)
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Apparently cutting benefits to a special group is virtue signalling but providing them in the first place is not.

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on a more radical note the gov has passed laws decimating unions because they were such a threat to the existing hierarchies
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
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Old 02-28-2018, 01:29 PM   #10035 (permalink)
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evil >>>>> evil
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Old 02-28-2018, 01:37 PM   #10036 (permalink)
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Come to think of it it's not so much a lesser of two evils situation, it's more of an enemy of my enemy is my friend situation. Like saying that Donald Trump tried to silence Steve Bannon, therefore Steve Bannon is pretty alright in my book.

I've already explained to you at length why the lesser of two evils is so dumb so I'll just leave you to fetishize your evil.
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How do you feel about corporate cronies masquerading as collective bargainers?
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Old 02-28-2018, 03:34 PM   #10038 (permalink)
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I’d say we agree that labor needs an organized voice and unions need to be strong and ethical (purely on the side of labor)

It’s been too long since I’ve studied labor history but I have read a fair amount. Miners, bus drivers, trash collectors, hotel and restaurant workers, even teachers, all had a time where they fought with sincerity and relatively limited corruption.

The difference between then and now is that these days civil disobedience is officially off the table by union by-laws. It’s become strictly a matter of legislation. Unions, at their best, support political campaigns and lobby for legislation but will not support the grassroots rough and tumble methods that brought about the labor reform we enjoy today. Radical labor activists are methodically weeded out by their own so-called union.

Is there anything about my assessment of the current situation that you disagree with?
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Old 02-28-2018, 04:06 PM   #10039 (permalink)
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Unprecedented.

- Rob Porter, a powerful White House staffer whose profile has increased in recent months, resigned February 7 after two of his ex-wives accused him of physical and emotional abuse.

- Dr. Brenda Fitzgerald resigned on January 31 after Politico reported that Fitzgerald purchased stock in Japan Tobacco while serving as CDC director.

- FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe was forced to step down on January 30, after FBI Director Christopher Wray raised concerns about an upcoming Justice Department inspector general report examining McCabe's and other senior officials' actions during the 2016 presidential campaign.

- Omarosa Manigault, the director of communications for the White House's Office of Public Liaison, had her official last day on January 20.

- Trump fired Derek Harvey, his top Middle East advisor for the National Security Counsel.

- The secretary of health and human services had elicited bipartisan condemnation over the cost of his air travel. Tom Price had cost taxpayers more than $1 million between his use of private planes for domestic travel and military jets for recent trips to Africa, Europe, and Asia, Politico reported.

- White House official confirmed Sebastian Gorka's departure from the Trump administration on August 25. The former Breitbart News staffer and ally of chief strategist Steve Bannon served as a deputy assistant to President Donald Trump.

- White House officials confirmed that Trump had dismissed Steve Bannon, his chief strategist, on August 18 after reports of clashes between Bannon and other members of the White House reached a fever pitch in recent days.

- Anthony Scaramucci was hired as the White House communications director and then dismissed in less than two weeks. The decision came at the urging of John Kelly, the new White House chief of staff, according to a Times report.

- Reince Priebus resigned as White House chief of staff six months into his tenure after a public feud with Scaramucci.

- Sean Spicer, the embattled White House press secretary, resigned on July 21 after telling Trump he vehemently disagreed with the selection of Scaramucci as White House communications director.

- Michael Dubke resigned as the White House communications director in May. Dubke was replaced by Scaramucci, the founder of a hedge fund and a top Trump donor.

- Walter Shaub resigned as the director of the Office of Government Ethics in July after clashing with the White House over Trump's complicated financial holdings.

- Trump fired James Comey as FBI director in May. At the time of his firing, Comey was handling the bureau's investigation into whether the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to meddle in the 2016 election, creating a firestorm of controversy for the Trump administration.

- Michael Flynn resigned in February after serving as national security adviser for less than a month. Flynn had misled Vice President Mike Pence and other administration officials about what he and Sergey Kislyak, Russia's ambassador to the US, talked about in phone conversations during the transition.

- Trump fired Sally Yates, an appointee of President Barack Obama, as acting attorney general within his first 10 days in office. Yates had refused to uphold Trump's executive order on immigration and denounced it as unlawful.

- Trump fired Preet Bharara as the US attorney for the Southern District of Manhattan in March after he refused to submit his resignation to Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

- Katie Walsh, the former deputy chief of staff and close ally of Priebus, left the White House after nine weeks.

- And now Hope Hicks, one of Trump's closest senior advisor Hope Hicks resigns one day after admitting to the house committee that she sometimes told lies on Trump's behalf.

- And let's not forget poor Jared. He's had all of his big toys taken away and is no longer in allowed in Presidential briefings. On the outside looking in.

- And Ivanka is in the Chief of Staff's doghouse and might be losing her top secret security clearance.

All in just 13 months. Being an employee of James Gotti looks like it was a safer work environment by contrast.

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I don't think you do. You sound like TH trying not to listen to hip hop.
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Not to mention all the really good hip-hop I've listened to in my Albums of 2017 thread.

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I don't think you do. You sound like TH trying not to watch Office Space.
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