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The Batlord 06-08-2018 10:45 AM

I mean OH is kinda right in a way at least. If this kind of public shaming keeps people from doing this kind of **** then it's not because they've become better people but because people are now scared of their fellow citizens surveilling them the same as they should be scared of the government spying on them. It might not be as Orwellian as OH is blowing it up to be, but watching these videos seems more like the mentality of watching reality TV than anything noble.

Janszoon 06-08-2018 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1959935)
I mean OH is kinda right in a way at least. If this kind of public shaming keeps people from doing this kind of **** then it's not because they've become better people but because people are now scared of their fellow citizens surveilling them the same as they should be scared of the government spying on them. It might not be as Orwellian as OH is blowing it up to be, but watching these videos seems more like the mentality of watching reality TV than anything noble.

He's right in the sense that public shaming often ends up being disproportionately harsh. There's even a great book about it. He's just a bad advocate because he's constantly cheerleading racism.

The Batlord 06-08-2018 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1959940)
He's right in the sense that public shaming often ends up being disproportionately harsh. There's even a great book about it. He's just a bad advocate because he's constantly cheerleading racism.

Isn't that an ad hominem? Yeah he's a racist twat but I don't think anyone who's familiar with his constant rants about everything under the sun thinks he'd only be saying this to defend his fellow skinheads.

Janszoon 06-08-2018 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1959945)
Isn't that an ad hominem? Yeah he's a racist twat but I don't think anyone who's familiar with his constant rants about everything under the sun thinks he'd only be saying this to defend his fellow skinheads.

What I'm saying is he's poisoning his own well.

The Batlord 06-08-2018 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1959953)
What I'm saying is he's poisoning his own well.

He might not be the best spokesmen for his cause but that's kind of the point. If he's right then whether or not that woman is a **** this is still a phenomenon that doesn't warrant anyone's time unless you're just enjoying it as TV. If we only stand up for people we like then are we not just a lynch mob?

OccultHawk 06-08-2018 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1959954)
He might not be the best spokesmen for his cause but that's kind of the point. If he's right then whether or not that woman is a **** this is still a phenomenon that doesn't warrant anyone's time unless you're just enjoying it as TV. If we only stand up for people we like then are we not just a lynch mob?

Steady mobbin


Janszoon 06-08-2018 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1959954)
He might not be the best spokesmen for his cause but that's kind of the point. If he's right then whether or not that woman is a **** this is still a phenomenon that doesn't warrant anyone's time unless you're just enjoying it as TV. If we only stand up for people we like then are we not just a lynch mob?

I would say, like most things, it's not an either/or issue.

The Batlord 06-08-2018 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1959960)
I would say, like most things, it's not an either/or issue.

Yeah, but just watching one of these videos and casting judgement along with twenty other people on an internet forum or news site comment section is just ego stroking so we can feel like pseudo-activists the same as updating your Facebook status for Koney2012.

I've watched plenty of these videos myself and thought or even commented on what a **** this or that person is, but with the constant click bait nature of these shaming videos it's become a sort of loose, worthless subculture that could cease to exist without the world being any worse off.

If anything I'd say the real story is that so many people's "shock and disappointment" show that they are willfully ignorant of these kinds of shamed asshats. Do we really need to be told that people who shout "Nigger!!!" at black strangers are still a thing in 2018?

Janszoon 06-08-2018 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1959966)
Yeah, but just watching one of these videos and casting judgement along with twenty other people on an internet forum or news site comment section is just ego stroking so we can feel like pseudo-activists the same as updating your Facebook status for Koney2012.

I've watched plenty of these videos myself and thought or even commented on what a **** this or that person is, but with the constant click bait nature of these shaming videos it's become a sort of loose, worthless subculture that could cease to exist without the world being any worse off.

If anything I'd say the real story is that so many people's "shock and disappointment" show that they are willfully ignorant of these kinds of shamed asshats. Do we really need to be told that people who shout "Nigger!!!" at black strangers are still a thing in 2018?

Sure, that's why I didn't watch the video in the first place. What I'm more concerned about with regards to MB is casual racism slipping by without comment from anyone.

Cuthbert 06-08-2018 12:08 PM

Which casual racism?


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