Everytime I think of Trump and his wall, I think of Shelley's "Ozymandias"

I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

The man just wants a monument. Just carve him a statue or something.

Dude, dude, dude. Who ****ing cares who was or was not the bigger *******? It's kind of academic tbh. The Democrats have a long history of being big L liberal ****s who are not on the side of workers so any brownie points you might want to give them for standing up to Trump about a fascist wall that he wanted cause he likes building things with a "T" on them is kind of beside the point. Whoever was the bigger man here they are still collectively eligible for the gulag.

The point is that the wall is a symbol of Trump's willingness to give the finger pistols to at least borderline racist right wingers and downright alt right fuckheads, so no matter how sweet a deal he might give to the Dems that deal should be denied outright. If you want to talk about border security then whatever, fine, but not until Trump is gone. He has no place in the discussion because his place is as a racist demagogue and that should have no place. Do not give him and his position legitimacy by even considering it simply because he is a politician with power. He should be treated like a three-year-old throwing a tantrum and ignored until his term is up.

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^ Archived from the original, which has since been flagged for removal. It sounds fake as fuck to me, but stranger things have happened.


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I see so many bizarre statements here and I try not to get involved correcting
them because, you know, it just doesn't work on people who are so tied to their
emotional involvements when it comes to finding "factual" info, but, just this once:

Snopes

They should get minimum wage then.

I've read the Vox article covering the subject, and the Fox article and that article and at least three others covering the trip. They all corroborate and support my core point, with the biggest sticking point being the 100+ unnecessary corporate lobbyists who showed up to schmooze. If I was working for Facebook or Verizon instead of doing my own thing, I bet they would have sent me there too.

Yeah they're all scum but stop being a Trump bootlicker who criticizes Trump while supporting everything he actually does.

^ Thank you for taking a moment to debunk one of Anteater's claims at least. :thumb:

^ If you have a dictionary of political terms, you might care to look up words like "opposition" and "plan." That might help you realize that the Dem plan was to deny Trump's demand for $5.7 bn for an ineffectual border wall that approx 60% of Americans don't want. If your Plan A is good enough you don't need to use your Plan B, but how and why are you saying that the Dems didn't have one?

Pity America that it took Trump 34 days to realize what everybody else saw on Day Two: that his position on the shutdown was untenable.

If it wasn't rostasi, MF'ers would get blasted for using Snopes as a reference LOL.

Trump has been good for politics though, especially in regards to energizing our better political idealists. At least I get a better picture at what's going on beneath the surface. Before we needed a guy like Snowden to flee the country just to get a handle on just how many people's rights were being violated.

Except he didn't.