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Trollheart 10-13-2017 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1882866)
Is it really stealing if it no longer has a recipient? Fraud is a better choice.

Yes it is. It's money that's due his mother for her old age. She is now dead, so not entitled to the money, nor is anyone else entitled to collect it on her behalf. It's the same as if you're on the dole (receiving social security, I guess you'd call it) and then you get a job and don't sign off, so you collect money you're not due. It is stealing. I guess it's also fraud, but then fraud usually involves a form of stealing anyway, so I guess that's splitting hairs.
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Even if you think that it's amoral, I fail to see how it can be disrespectful to their memory. Unless that person was someone who made every little thing about themselves, at which point I'm not sure if I'd want to respect their memory anyways.
Because my mother brought me up not to steal, especially from her goddamn corpse, man! How is that so hard to understand? If I did that, my ma would turn in her grave. Jesus. Have you no morals?

Frownland 10-13-2017 05:29 PM

I'm not saying it's a good thing to do, I just don't really give a **** about what he did tbh. At least the money's being put to some kind of use. *shrug*

Regarding the loved ones memory thing, I just don't see how it has anything to do with them. Are people who knew her going to look back at her and think poorly of her now? I don't get this whole preservation thing, it's not as if he's denounced her.

Trollheart 10-13-2017 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1882913)
I'm not saying it's a good thing to do, I just don't really give a **** about what he did tbh. *shrug*

Regarding the loved ones memory thing, I just don't see how it has anything to do with them. Are people who knew her going to look back at her and think poorly of her now? I don't get this whole preservation thing, it's not as if he's denounced her.

Like I say, if you don't understand or get it I can't help you, but I would never do anything that I know my ma would not approve of, alive or dead. That's what I mean by keeping her memory. You live your life in the way you hope your parents (well, in my case, one only) would want you to, and you try to hope that they would be proud of you. Karen has a picture of her and my ma on her desk, and often I look at it and think "I hope you'd approve of how I'm looking after her, ma, and are proud of me". So I'm sentimental. Sue me.

It's also probably an "Irish mammy" thing. You just do NOT disrespect the memory of your mam. Father, maybe; not so bad. But mammy? Never.

Frownland 10-13-2017 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1882915)
Like I say, if you don't understand or get it I can't help you, but I would never do anything that I know my ma would not approve of, alive or dead. That's what I mean by keeping her memory. You live your life in the way you hope your parents (well, in my case, one only) would want you to, and you try to hope that they would be proud of you.

Nah that explains your stance well enough. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree that the actions of the living affects that person's memory. I preserve people's memories by remembering them at their best, because that's what they offered.

Trollheart 10-13-2017 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1882919)
Nah that explains your stance well enough. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree that the actions of the living affects that person's memory. I preserve people's memories by remembering them at their best, because that's what they offered.

Yeah, agree to disagree. I disagree. I mean, I agree. Let's move on.

OccultHawk 10-13-2017 06:12 PM

besides fear of getting caught I can't comprehend why in the world anyone would turn down free money

WTF people?

my mama didn't raise no fool

why dishonor her memory by being poorer than necessary?

The Batlord 10-13-2017 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1882931)
besides fear of getting caught I can't comprehend why in the world anyone would turn down free money

WTF people?

my mama didn't raise no fool

why dishonor her memory by being poorer than necessary?

Honestly I just wouldn't want to deal with a warrant. It's gonna have to be a damn good check for that.

Paul Smeenus 10-14-2017 05:40 AM


Zhanteimi 10-14-2017 07:31 AM

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Trollheart 10-14-2017 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mord (Post 1883010)
Eh...she was a whore anyway.

No, no. We've moved on from Kesha, Mord...

The Batlord 10-14-2017 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1883036)
No, no. We've moved on from Kesha, Mord...


Trollheart 10-14-2017 09:56 AM

Thanks. I needed that. Just about to have dinner.

I'm not about to have dinner, and I didn't need that.
:shycouch:

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...lored_4350.jpg

The Batlord 10-14-2017 10:13 AM

I could give a **** about white knighting. Bitches can take care of themselves. But I stand by my bitch.

Trollheart 10-14-2017 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1883054)
I could give a **** about white knighting. Bitches can take care of themselves. But I stand by my bitch.

You're a one-Knight-stand man, huh?

The Batlord 10-14-2017 10:17 AM

A true knight only has one fair lady with whom he doesn't have sex.

Trollheart 10-14-2017 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1883060)
A true knight only has one fair lady with whom he doesn't have sex.

That does seem fair.

OccultHawk 10-14-2017 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1883075)
That does seem fair.

Well you gotta be gay to get into "knight school"

The Batlord 10-14-2017 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1883079)
Well you gotta be gay to get into "knight school"

Can't no bitch get past a plate metal codpiece.

Trollheart 10-14-2017 12:14 PM

I think the thing about it is, that by the time you've got all the greaves, cuirasses, breastplates and what-all off, you both have lost interest. So armour could be a really really good contraceptive.

The Batlord 10-14-2017 01:07 PM

I'd like to think that real knights never had to complete side-quests for dwarven smiths to get their armor.

Trollheart 10-14-2017 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1883120)
I'd like to think that real knights never had to complete side-quests for dwarven smiths to get their armor.

Nah, I'd say they just went to the local blacksmith and said "Make me some armour before I kill you, thou dumbass!" :laughing:

OccultHawk 10-14-2017 01:19 PM

One of the actors on Game of Thrones (a show I don't think anyone can really follow) is getting **** for joking about enjoying playing a fictional character who in the story rapes another fictional character. Do people not understand that it's FICTION? He didn't rape anybody. He didn't even joke about raping somebody. He made a joke about playing a rapist on TV. TV shows and movies have villains. Actors enjoy playing villains. It's not ****ing real. Seriously, WTF is wrong with people?

Trollheart 10-14-2017 01:26 PM

These are the same sort of people who boo and hiss and hit with their umbrellas a guy who plays a murderer in a soap. Some people really seem not to be able to separate the two. Pathetic.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 10-14-2017 01:27 PM

i just read what he said and did come off as a little weird, don't ya think?

The Batlord 10-14-2017 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1883130)
One of the actors on Game of Thrones (a show I don't think anyone can really follow) is getting **** for joking about enjoying playing a fictional character who in the story rapes another fictional character. Do people not understand that it's FICTION? He didn't rape anybody. He didn't even joke about raping somebody. He made a joke about playing a rapist on TV. TV shows and movies have villains. Actors enjoy playing villains. It's not ****ing real. Seriously, WTF is wrong with people?

Game of Thrones (show and books) are kind of sketchy with their sexual content, but they still deal with it well enough that I don't think they can be legit condemned. Are you talking about the Mountain? Cause no matter how execrable he may be, I can't help but love him for the scene where he *spoiler* put out that dudes eyes and crushed his skull *end spoiler*. That was simply badass to the extreme and made me want him to die the way a villain should.

Trollheart 10-14-2017 01:35 PM

That was one of the top ten alltime best shocker scenes on TV. ****ing superb. I ran it back about four times. That, and the bit with the spear and the guy's head.

Trollheart 10-14-2017 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1883142)
i just read what he said and did come off as a little weird, don't ya think?

Link?

Chula Vista 10-14-2017 01:37 PM

Good lord.....

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In the midst of the chaos that has enveloped the White House, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin is charging ahead with plans to deregulate Wall Street. The Treasury Department recently released a 220-page report calling for the elimination of reforms designed to prevent another financial collapse. The recommendations include:

1) Easing oversight of financial markets by the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission.

2) Limiting the ability of regulators to impose new rules.

3) Reducing the information companies must provide before they go public.

4) Repealing disclosure requirements for mining and other natural resources companies.

Adding insult to injury, the report also calls for the elimination of a rule that requires companies to release how much executives make compared to their employees. Naturally, lobbyists and trade associations for the financial industry immediately hailed the recommendations.

Do Trump and his team of banksters think we've forgotten about the last time Wall Street greed destroyed the economy? We need strong rules and regulators who will enforce them to protect public. If left to their own devices, the big banks and hedge funds will gamble away the economy again.
I know Bat, TLDR. If this goes through it won't affect you much anyway so:

https://media.giphy.com/media/joV1k1sNOT5xC/giphy.gif

But for some of us this **** is real. During the collapse of 2007 my 401K and home values were gutted so that banks and Wall Street dudes could get massive bonuses.

Screw Se7en, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and Irreversable. This is still the most chilling movie scene I've ever watched. (mini-hyperbole alert)


Trollheart 10-14-2017 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1883150)
Good lord.....



I know Bat, TLDR. If this goes through it won't affect you much anyway so:

https://media.giphy.com/media/joV1k1sNOT5xC/giphy.gif

But for some of us this **** is real. During the collapse of 2007 my 401K and home values were gutted so that banks and Wall Street dudes could get massive bonuses.

Screw Se7en, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and Irreversable. This is still the most chilling movie scene I've ever watched. (mini-hyperbole alert)


You have to delete everything after the ampersand too...

The Batlord 10-14-2017 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1883150)
Good lord.....



I know Bat, TLDR. If this goes through it won't affect you much anyway so:

https://media.giphy.com/media/joV1k1sNOT5xC/giphy.gif

But for some of us this **** is real. During the collapse of 2007 my 401K and home values were gutted so that banks and Wall Street dudes could get massive bonuses.

Screw Se7en, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and Irreversable. This is still the most chilling movie scene I've ever watched. (mini-hyperbole alert)


Dude, I'm totally not up on my recession knowledge by any means, but I do know that all that **** that the repubs bitch about the Clintons doing that supposedly did to cause the recession (i.e. giving loans to the dirty ******s) was about fixing decades of racist housing policies to keep African Americans from buying property. So, like, I totally see this as a backdoor way for all that racist **** to benefit the kind of people who did this **** in the first place.

Chula Vista 10-14-2017 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1883158)
Dude, I'm totally not up on my recession knowledge by any means, but I do know that all that **** that the repubs bitch about the Clintons doing that supposedly did to cause the recession (i.e. giving loans to the dirty ******s) was about fixing decades of racist housing policies to keep African Americans from buying property. So, like, I totally see this as a backdoor way for all that racist **** to benefit the kind of people who did this **** in the first place.

You are hopeless. Completely and totally hopeless. Like I said, move along, nothing to see here for folks like you.

Once you are sober you might educating yourself a bit. The 2007 housing bubble crash had ****ing NOTHING to do with race.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...housing_bubble

Frownland 10-14-2017 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1883166)
You are hopeless. Completely and totally hopeless. Like I said, move along, nothing to see here for folks like you.

Once you are sober you might educating yourself a bit. The 2007 housing bubble crash had ****ing NOTHING to do with race.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...housing_bubble

Wow so condescending etc.

Maybe take a nap and/or sober up yourself mate.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 10-14-2017 02:24 PM

yeah Bat, spend more time reading trustworthy, scholarly sources like wikipedia!

The Batlord 10-14-2017 02:31 PM

I'm not saying it was about race, but the **** that repubs bitch about the Clintons doing was about overturning racial housing policies. Whether or not it was responsible for anything, it is what repubs criticize.

OccultHawk 10-14-2017 02:33 PM

I was a little surprised by Batlord's response but to call him "hopeless" because he's linking unfair banking practices to white supremacy overlooks a very relevant fact:

In the words of Public Enemy:

"The man who gets the money is white not black / you might not believe it but it is like that"

OccultHawk 10-14-2017 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1883171)
I'm not saying it was about race, but the **** that repubs bitch about the Clintons doing was about overturning racial housing policies. Whether or not it was responsible for anything, it is what repubs criticize.

I'm just curious. Do you understand basically what happened to cause the housing bubble?

The Batlord 10-14-2017 02:37 PM

What's wrong with my response? I'm not gonna pretend like I'm totally enlightened, but from what I understand the conservatives are mainly bitching about Bill Clinton's policies to give mortgages to people who'd not been allowed to get mortgages by racist housing policies from the preceding decades.

The Batlord 10-14-2017 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1883174)
I'm just curious. Do you understand basically what happened to cause the housing bubble?

I'm down to be enlightened tbh.

Trollheart 10-14-2017 02:41 PM

Wasn't it more about the banks giving mortgages to people who couldn't possibly ever afford to repay them, then repackaging those debts with others and selling them on to other banks? Or something.

The Batlord 10-14-2017 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1883179)
Wasn't it more about the banks giving mortgages to people who couldn't possibly ever afford to repay them, then repackaging those debts with others and selling them on to other banks? Or something.

I'm not saying it was about the negroes. I'm saying that's what a lot of conservatives think it's about.


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