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jwb 11-05-2019 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2087965)
But when you have the example of Tienanmen Square to work off of what do you think is going to happen differently? I mean either you think the Chinese government has changed, you think you have something to bargain with that can't be run over, or you start picking up weapons. I haven't seen anything to make me think that the Hong Kongers aren't just assuming that because their rules are different right now that they'll always be different for no smart reason.
It's even more cynical than that

The people in tiananmen square likely also knew the risk they were taking

But compliance only buys you some time... chances are unless you completely embrace the regime and defend them against all attacks, they will ultimately take you down.

The Batlord 11-05-2019 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2087968)
It's even more cynical than that

The people in tiananmen square likely also knew the risk they were taking

But compliance only buys you some time... chances are unless you completely embrace the regime and defend them against all attacks, they will ultimately take you down.
I imagine the people in Tienanmen Square did not actually realize the level of reprisals they would face. Or if they did they thought the rest of the country would rise up with them in horror and start a chain reaction. That did not happen. So what are the Hong Kongers banking on? I mean if this is all "**** you kill us we don't care we're sick of you" then hell ****ing yeah but I don't think most people are as nihilistic as that.

Mindfulness 11-05-2019 08:24 PM
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The Batlord 11-05-2019 08:28 PM
You just wish life felt as real as living in Hong Kong. Life in America doesn't even feel real.

jwb 11-05-2019 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2087972)
I imagine the people in Tienanmen Square did not actually realize the level of reprisals they would face. Or if they did they thought the rest of the country would rise up with them in horror and start a chain reaction. That did not happen. So what are the Hong Kongers banking on? I mean if this is all "**** you kill us we don't care we're sick of you" then hell ****ing yeah but I don't think most people are as nihilistic as that.
given the history of the Chinese regime, I'm guessing they were well aware of the risks.

Especially since they just stood there as a tank was approaching

The Batlord 11-05-2019 08:40 PM
But to what end? And to what end now? Are people protesting just to be heard and aren't willing to imagine that they won't be? I don't think most people who do this **** honestly are sacrificing themselves, they probably just aren't willing to admit that they won't be heard.

The Batlord 11-05-2019 08:52 PM
I thought that was just N. Korea.

The Batlord 11-05-2019 08:58 PM
I think you need a "re-edication" camp yourself. Hopefully they have an English class.

Lucem Ferre 11-05-2019 09:26 PM
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you yourself declared your views as simple when you said it all boils down to what harms/helps.
Not really because 'harm' and 'help' in the context of humanity is more complicated than you make it to be. I'm not willing to die on the hill of those two things being the only things but you really have done a **** job of convincing me otherwise. Really, I'm just rejecting the idea that morality is a purely subjective idea built by culture when I think it's more than just what we've been taught.

The Batlord 11-05-2019 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2087990)
Not really because 'harm' and 'help' in the context of humanity is more complicated than you make it to be. I'm not willing to die on the hill of those two things being the only things but you really have done a **** job of convincing me otherwise. Really, I'm just rejecting the idea that morality is a purely subjective idea built by culture when I think it's more than just what we've been taught.
Just remember he's trying to bring this back to a traditionalist American view where it's okay to be a neoliberal watching CNN on TV. He hates Hillary Clinton but he really is Hillary Clinton.


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