The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Soulflower

It still does not change the fact that more blacks are targeted and murdered by police than whites.

You can gloss and sugar coat it, I am not going too.

It IS an issue!

Do you think that there might be a confounding factor of de facto segregation with ghettos being so heavily populated with minorities?

[OccultHawk]

Black on black crime is the epidemic.

[Lord Larehip]

Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

from what i remember trayvon was beating the **** out of zimmerman when he shot him.

Where's your proof? Zimmerman had a bloody nose and a couple of scratches on the back of his head--that's it. He didn't even go to the hospital. That's consistent with scuffling with Martin not getting the hell beaten out of him.

so basically yea even turning around and confronting your stalker verbally is really the wrong way to go about it. keep going and see if they do anything.

That's exactly what Martin did but Zimmerman followed him and since Martin had only just arrived there a day or so before and Zimmerman lived there for who knows how long, Martin really had no chance to get away from the guy and so he confronted him. It's what you would have done and it's what I would have done. It's what anyone in Martin's predicament would have done.

if they do then you have the right to defend yourself.

It's a moot point when the other person has a gun and you don't.

you don't have to seek out that confrontation.

Tell that to Zimmerman--oh wait--they DID!

but even if you do seek it out and then you get in a fight, you don't need to sit there beating his ass.

Once again, where's you proof? Show me these life-threatening injuries to Zimmerman. I've been beat up worse than that in the service play fighting with my own ship mates.

that's not self defense that's just fighting.

Spare me. Martin had no idea who this as-shole was or what he wanted. I'm 190 lbs and I'll bet if I did to you what Zimmerman pulled on Martin, you'd be scared s-hitless. You'd fight for everything you were worth scared out of your wits that you were about to get the s-hit stomped out of you for no reason at all. So, really, since when do you get to decide how much of Martin's fighting back against this man stalking him was too much???

usually it'll get you assault charges.

Since when?

in this case it got him shot which is self defense since really you can get beat to death pretty easily.

One last time, show me Zimmerman's oh-so-serious injuries. He wanted those injuries so he could claim self-defense. He provoked a fight because he knew he'd win. He was armed and significantly bigger than Trayvon Martin. The injuries were superficial to say the least and everything he told about how he killed Martin is a pretty obvious lie. Would you like me to explain it to you?

again, i acknowledge zimmerman brought the ass beating on himself but the way the law works what he did was still technically legal regardless of race or anything else.

It's legal if a cop or a jury decides it's legal. If he had been convicted as he should have, you'd be saying the opposite of what you're saying now. But just keep drinking that kool-aid.

[John Wilkes Booth]

Originally Posted by Soulflower

It still does not change the fact that more blacks are targeted and murdered by police than whites.

You can gloss and sugar coat it, I am not going too.

It IS an issue!

i didn't sugar coat it, i said at the beginning i know it is an issue but there are also people who make a career out of exploiting that issue.

[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by lord larehip

where's your proof? Zimmerman had a bloody nose and a couple of scratches on the back of his head--that's it. He didn't even go to the hospital. That's consistent with scuffling with martin not getting the hell beaten out of him.



That's exactly what martin did but zimmerman followed him and since martin had only just arrived there a day or so before and zimmerman lived there for who knows how long, martin really had no chance to get away from the guy and so he confronted him. It's what you would have done and it's what i would have done. It's what anyone in martin's predicament would have done.



It's a moot point when the other person has a gun and you don't.



Tell that to zimmerman--oh wait--they did!



Once again, where's you proof? Show me these life-threatening injuries to zimmerman. I've been beat up worse than that in the service play fighting with my own ship mates.



Spare me. Martin had no idea who this as-shole was or what he wanted. I'm 190 lbs and i'll bet if i did to you what zimmerman pulled on martin, you'd be scared s-hitless. You'd fight for everything you were worth scared out of your wits that you were about to get the s-hit stomped out of you for no reason at all. So, really, since when do you get to decide how much of martin's fighting back against this man stalking him was too much???



Since when?



One last time, show me zimmerman's oh-so-serious injuries. He wanted those injuries so he could claim self-defense. He provoked a fight because he knew he'd win. He was armed and significantly bigger than trayvon martin. The injuries were superficial to say the least and everything he told about how he killed martin is a pretty obvious lie. Would you like me to explain it to you?



It's legal if a cop or a jury decides it's legal. If he had been convicted as he should have, you'd be saying the opposite of what you're saying now. But just keep drinking that kool-aid.

Bravo! Yes u better preach!

[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

i didn't sugar coat it, i said at the beginning i know it is an issue but there are also people who make a career out of exploiting that issue.

How is this issue being exploited when it has never been addressed?


I think the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown deaths have brought have highlighted an issue that needs to be addressed which I think is LONG overdue.

[Chula Vista]

Love all of these matter of fact statements about what went down between Martin and Zimmerman once they finally stood face to face. Funny, I followed the trial and don't remember any of you being called to the witness stand.

The only injury that Martin had was the gunshot would. These are the injuries that Zimmerman sustained. We don't know what immediately led up to this but it's pretty obvious from the evidence (including the forensic evidence that Martin was on top when he was shot) that Zimmerman was getting his ass handed to him at one point. Was it his own fault - sure. Doesn't erase the fact though.

[John Wilkes Booth]

man i hate getting into these line for line type arguments. i know i'm gonna end up regretting this.

Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

Where's your proof? Zimmerman had a bloody nose and a couple of scratches on the back of his head--that's it. He didn't even go to the hospital. That's consistent with scuffling with Martin not getting the hell beaten out of him.

i saw a picture of his face after the altercation. dude obviously got his ass beat. i didn't say i have proof but that this absolutely is what happen but since there are no witnesses and his face is consistent with his story, you can fall back on innocent till proven guilty.

That's exactly what Martin did but Zimmerman followed him and since Martin had only just arrived there a day or so before and Zimmerman lived there for who knows how long, Martin really had no chance to get away from the guy and so he confronted him. It's what you would have done and it's what I would have done. It's what anyone in Martin's predicament would have done.

nope, i would have kept going until he came up to me and confronted me, then i would've probably had the police on speed dial.

It's a moot point when the other person has a gun and you don't.

nope. you can say that but the law says otherwise.

Tell that to Zimmerman--oh wait--they DID!

you must've seen my criticisms of zimmermans behavior if you were reading my posts so i don't know why you're trying to state this like i disagree with you on this point.

Once again, where's you proof? Show me these life-threatening injuries to Zimmerman. I've been beat up worse than that in the service play fighting with my own ship mates.

i didn't say his injuries are life threatening. i said fights can easily turn deadly. that's all you need to justify self defense.

Spare me. Martin had no idea who this as-shole was or what he wanted. I'm 190 lbs and I'll bet if I did to you what Zimmerman pulled on Martin, you'd be scared s-hitless. You'd fight for everything you were worth scared out of your wits that you were about to get the s-hit stomped out of you for no reason at all. So, really, since when do you get to decide how much of Martin's fighting back against this man stalking him was too much???

see:

nope, i would have kept going until he came up to me and confronted me, then i would've probably had the police on speed dial.

Since when?

what do you want me to look up the year or something? are you disagreeing that fighting someone can usually get you assault charges if they decide to take it there?

One last time, show me Zimmerman's oh-so-serious injuries. He wanted those injuries so he could claim self-defense. He provoked a fight because he knew he'd win. He was armed and significantly bigger than Trayvon Martin. The injuries were superficial to say the least and everything he told about how he killed Martin is a pretty obvious lie. Would you like me to explain it to you?

google the pictures yourself man. and sure if you want to explain it to me i'll read it.

It's legal if a cop or a jury decides it's legal. If he had been convicted as he should have, you'd be saying the opposite of what you're saying now. But just keep drinking that kool-aid.

yea i usually do think lawyers know the law better than me. good point.

[John Wilkes Booth]

Originally Posted by Soulflower

How is this issue being exploited when it has never been addressed?


I think the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown deaths have brought have highlighted an issue that needs to be addressed which I think is LONG overdue.

how much money do you think the sharpton types are raking in over these random ass crimes? the issue has been being addressed for some time now and sensationalizing it for money really adds nothing to society.

[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

how much money do you think the sharpton types are raking in over these random ass crimes? the issue has been being addressed for some time now and sensationalizing it for money really adds nothing to society.

Love how has this issue been addressed when we have police officer's still murdering black teenagers and getting away with it?