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OccultHawk 11-05-2017 01:14 PM

Mass shooting at Texas church.

[MERIT] 11-05-2017 01:22 PM

People keep stealing my Corey Feldman story and posting it as their own. Lame.

OccultHawk 11-05-2017 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1890756)
holy **** this happened in my county

edit: well the neighboring one apparently the shooter got chased into my county

I know this is a corny thing people say but I hope for you nobody you know personally was hurt.

Man, things are just too far gone.

rubber soul 11-05-2017 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1890758)
I know this is a corny thing people say but I hope for you nobody you know personally was hurt.

Man, things are just too far gone.


Whatever political stripes we wear individually, I don't think anyone can disagree with that. This is becoming like every week now.

OccultHawk 11-05-2017 02:09 PM

It’s heartbreaking. It’s never been worse. This place has lost its mind.

The Batlord 11-05-2017 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 1890753)
People keep stealing my Corey Feldman story and posting it as their own. Lame.

I don't care if I'm a dick I legit lol'd.

Frownland 11-05-2017 02:27 PM

Hopefully they edited out all of the typos.

The Batlord 11-05-2017 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by banned god (Post 1890781)
wow @ elf not being british but actually being from texas.... wtf is your excuse elf?

my sister and her family live in san antonio too. they run a local chic filet. i assume you've never been there out of either protest for their anti gay **** or just because you're some sort of vegan ***

If Dirty and JWB turn out to be the same person I'm going to be very impressed.

Psy-Fi 11-05-2017 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1890783)
If Dirty and JWB turn out to be the same person I'm going to be very impressed.

I'd bet money that Butthead and JWB are the same person.

Cuthbert 11-05-2017 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1890783)
If Dirty and JWB turn out to be the same person I'm going to be very impressed.

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Originally Posted by Psy-Fi (Post 1890788)
I'd bet money that Butthead and JWB are the same person.

100% no.

Paul Smeenus 11-05-2017 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1890806)
100% no.

Agreed

[MERIT] 11-05-2017 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1890768)
I don't care if I'm a dick I legit lol'd.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1890770)
Hopefully they edited out all of the typos.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/c5/c5909...0486e3ac48.jpg

The Batlord 11-05-2017 04:19 PM

Yeah, Frown. Eat me.

Frownland 11-05-2017 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 1890815)

I might if you spent more time reviewing your apostrophes than formatting your text to the point of being unreadable.

djchameleon 11-05-2017 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Psy-Fi (Post 1890788)
I'd bet money that Butthead and JWB are the same person.

Sure I will take that bet and your money.

Cuthbert 11-05-2017 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1890820)
what do I need an excuse for and why would I be British

both our frequent British members are MRA types

"MRA types" :rolleyes:

[MERIT] 11-05-2017 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1890822)
I might if you spent more time reviewing your apostrophes than formatting your text to the point of being unreadable.

It's the way I like to do it. Emphasize names, dates and numbers so that they catch the eye. In this day and age, people have short attention spans. You have to spoon feed them.

Trollheart 11-05-2017 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1890748)
Mass shooting at Texas church.

Don't you mean "shooting mass"? ;) Sorry: I can be a dick, just like the rest of you. Thoughts and prayers etc.
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1890783)
If Dirty and JWB turn out to be the same person I'm going to be very impressed.

It's not really a good month until JWB pops in for a few posts before being banned for the 23,098th time.
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Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 1890815)

"Yould"? Is this some new word I'm unaware of?
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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1890825)
"MRA types" :rolleyes:

Monkey Rights Amendment.

Cuthbert 11-05-2017 05:44 PM

Something has to be done to stop all these mass shootings but as it's America we will send our thoughts and prayers and then act horrified and shocked when it happens again before the end of the year.

Invent a firearm that fires non lethal bullets and disables the attacker (basically a taser that fires bullets or something, knocking the attacker out for five minutes or unconscious or whatever) then the gun guys can't use 'I need it to protect my family!' as an argument. Then start taking the guns off the streets and introduce laws making it very difficult for guys to get hold of firearms. Would take decades obviously, but it's a start.

Cuthbert 11-05-2017 05:46 PM

Who is pro gun on here and who is in favour of more gun control anyway? Could do with another gun thread, been ages since the last one. Could bump the last one but I just like public polls so I can see which way people are voting and where they stand.

Chula Vista 11-05-2017 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1890842)
Who is pro gun on here and who is in favour of more gun control anyway?

If we find out that this guy also used a bump stock then it should be a no-brainer to ban them immediately.

Question:

58 killed in Las Vegas and now 26 killed in Texas by white males in a little over a month. Not labeled terrorism.

8 people killed in NYC by a immigrant from the middle east who'd been in the country for 6 years prior to the incident.

TERRORISM!!!!

Why?

Cuthbert 11-05-2017 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1890846)
If we find out that this guy also used a bump stock then it should be a no-brainer to ban them immediately.

Question:

58 killed in Las Vegas and now 26 killed in Texas by white males in a little over a month. Not labeled terrorism.

8 people killed in NYC by a immigrant from the middle east who'd been in the country for 6 years prior to the incident.

TERRORISM!!!!

Why?

wacism innit

Or it could be that the NYC Truck of Peace guy shouted Allahu Ahkbar, was inspired by ISIS and did it for political reasons.

Probably just wacism though Chules.

The Batlord 11-05-2017 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1890846)
If we find out that this guy also used a bump stock then it should be a no-brainer to ban them immediately.

Question:

58 killed in Las Vegas and now 26 killed in Texas by white males in a little over a month. Not labeled terrorism.

8 people killed in NYC by a immigrant from the middle east who'd been in the country for 6 years prior to the incident.

TERRORISM!!!!

Why?

Why call it terrorism? We all know that "terrorism" is a euphemism for fundamentalist Islamic guerilla warfare and pretending it isn't is thickheaded. The only reason to lump all this other **** in with it is so that we can feel better about ourselves when we talk about "real" terrorism. We know that muslims aren't the only people who employ these kinds of tactics, and use of the word "terrorism" isn't stopping any rednecks from using "terrorism" to mean muslims.

Chula Vista 11-05-2017 06:19 PM

Las Vegas guy tried to kill as many innocent people as possible.

NYC guy tried to kill as many innocent people as possible.

Texas guy tried to kill as many innocent people as possible.

The terror lies in the killing, not in what someone shouts. Their motives are exactly the same - kill as many people as possible.

Maybe the Vegas guy hated country music.
Maybe the NYC guy hated Americans.
Maybe the Texas guy hated God.

Who gives a ****. All three should be labeled terrorism. Cherry picking shouldn't be tolerated.

Quote:

Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror, or fear, to achieve a political, religious or ideological aim.

Ideology is a comprehensive set of normative beliefs, conscious and unconscious ideas, that an individual, group or society has.
Politics and/or religon do not lay sole claim to the word terror.

OccultHawk 11-05-2017 06:20 PM

Everyone says it’s about political objectives and motivation but I don’t buy it. They just don’t want to deal with our homegrown dysfunctional meltdown but considering what they would have to do to stop it (things like putting people, like you, with hardons for serial killers in camps) it might be for the best that they don’t.

Frownland 11-05-2017 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1890856)
Las Vegas guy tried to kill as many innocent people as possible.

NYC guy tried to kill as many innocent people as possible.

Texas guy tried to kill as many innocent people as possible.

The terror lies in the killing, not in what someone shouts. Their motives are exactly the same - kill as many people as possible.

Maybe the Vegas guy hated country music.
Maybe the NYC guy hated Americans.
Maybe the Texas guy hated God.

Who gives a ****. All three should be labeled terrorism. Cherry picking shouldn't be tolerated.

Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror, or fear, to achieve a political, religious or ideological aim.

Ideology is a comprehensive set of normative beliefs, conscious and unconscious ideas, that an individual, group or society has.

Bingo.

Cuthbert 11-05-2017 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1890856)
Las Vegas guy tried to kill as many innocent people as possible.

NYC guy tried to kill as many innocent people as possible.

Texas guy tried to kill as many innocent people as possible.

The terror lies in the killing, not in what someone shouts. Their motives are exactly the same - kill as many people as possible.

Maybe the Vegas guy hated country music.
Maybe the NYC guy hated Americans.
Maybe the Texas guy hated God.

Who gives a ****. All three should be labeled terrorism. Cherry picking shouldn't be tolerated.

Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror, or fear, to achieve a political, religious or ideological aim.

Ideology is a comprehensive set of normative beliefs, conscious and unconscious ideas, that an individual, group or society has.

You've been told already why one is being called terrorism and why the others aren't. You're just unwilling to accept it.

What elph posted is the reason guys are getting confused and working themselves up over it all, because you think terrorism that kills say five people is by default worse than a mass shooting that kills fifty.

lol at having to wiki the definition of terrorism btw

OccultHawk 11-05-2017 06:30 PM

****. 27 shot dead in church is terrorism as much as New Wave Hookers is porn.

The Batlord 11-05-2017 06:32 PM

"Terrorism" could have been an actual useful word if it hadn't become a synonym for violent, radical muslims. This whole battle between Islamophobes and those who oppose them over the use of the word "terrorism" is idiotic tbh. The only definition that isn't pointless afaic and isn't just a sleight-of-hand to talk about muslims would be a description of the kind of non-state organizations that would apply to both Al Qaeda and the IRA. Even these lone wolf, politically motivated muslim "terrorists" shouldn't be labeled terrorists imo, because unless they're actually affiliated with a terrorist organization, calling them terrorists only serves to give the false impression in the eyes of much of the public, both that they are actually affiliated with a terrorist organization, and that muslims are just terrorists waiting to happen. They're gonna get that impression anyway, but there's no need to help them along when it doesn't even serve a purpose.

Chula Vista 11-05-2017 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1890860)
I think it's generally possible to deduce when you have a lone nutso gunman and when you have someone tied to an organization with specific outlined political goals

Yet, at the end of the day you're still left with a bunch of bloody corpses of men, women, and children.

Again, that's the terror.

P.S. Since the Diversity Immigrant Visa program was started 27 years ago it's estimated that over 2.7 million immigrants have attained US citizenship.

1 / 2.7 million = .000037%

That's like 37 cents out of a million dollars.

Yet Trump and his cult want to blame the program for NYC, shut it down, and try to fire up the muslim ban again.

Chula Vista 11-05-2017 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1890861)
You've been told already why one is being called terrorism and why the others aren't. You're just unwilling to accept it.

What elph posted is the reason guys are getting confused and working themselves up over it all, because you think terrorism that kills say five people is by default worse than a mass shooting that kills fifty.

lol at having to wiki the definition of terrorism btw

1. Wiki is a good source to find a nice and tidy definition on short notice so **** off.

2. I am not confused. Simply sick of the political hypocrasy. So **** off.

3. I've been given someone else's opinion on why. I don't agree with it. Has nothing to do with acceptance. I don't accept hypocrasy. So **** off.

Chula Vista 11-05-2017 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1890864)
****. 27 shot dead in church is terrorism as much as New Wave Hookers is porn.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1890865)
"Terrorism" could have been an actual useful word if it hadn't become a synonym for violent, radical muslims. This whole battle between Islamophobes and those who oppose them over the use of the word "terrorism" is idiotic tbh. The only definition that isn't pointless afaic and isn't just a sleight-of-hand to talk about muslims would be a description of the kind of non-state organizations that would apply to both Al Qaeda and the IRA. Even these lone wolf, politically motivated muslim "terrorists" shouldn't be labeled terrorists imo, because unless they're actually affiliated with a terrorist organization, calling them terrorists only serves to give the false impression in the eyes of much of the public, both that they are actually affiliated with a terrorist organization, and that muslims are just terrorists waiting to happen. They're gonna get that impression anyway, but there's no need to help them along when it doesn't even serve a purpose.

Nailed and nailed. Two sides of the same coin I'm peddling.

The Batlord 11-05-2017 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1890866)
Yet, at the end of the day you're still left with a bunch of bloody corpses of men, women, and children.

Again, that's the terror.

P.S. Since the Diversity Immigrant Visa program was started 27 years ago it's estimated that over 2.7 million immigrants have attained US citizenship.

1 / 2.7 million = .000037%

That's like 37 cents out of a million dollars.

Yet Trump and his cult want to blame the program for NYC, shut it down, and try to fire up the muslim ban again.

You are a pissant. Somehow you manage to take all of this, interpret it with all the nuance of a 7-year-old, and then bring it all back to your personal, pet ax to grind. Go back to debating with your ignorant friends and family on Facebook.

Chula Vista 11-05-2017 06:40 PM

**** off.

OccultHawk 11-05-2017 06:40 PM

*hypocrisy

The Batlord 11-05-2017 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1890874)
**** off.

You could at least tell me to **** off with a cutting remark. Now I feel like I just wasted my time. Which I did.

Chula Vista 11-05-2017 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1890879)
You could at least tell me to **** off with a cutting remark. Now I feel like I just wasted my time. Which I did.

I looked up the word pissant before replying to remind myself of the definition. I felt it would have been cruel to remark at you cuttingly. Figured **** off would suffice. Sorry to disappoint.

The Batlord 11-05-2017 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1890888)
I looked up the word pissant before replying to remind myself of the definition. I felt it would have been cruel to remark at you cuttingly. Figured **** off would suffice. Sorry to disappoint.

I'll bet it was to remind yourself.

OccultHawk 11-05-2017 07:13 PM

I argued basically the same position as Chula after LV. Everyone disagreed with me but it didn’t turn into all this. What is it about Chula that’s so triggering?

[MERIT] 11-05-2017 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1890840)
Invent a firearm that fires non lethal bullets and disables the attacker (basically a taser that fires bullets or something, knocking the attacker out for five minutes or unconscious or whatever)

Less-than-lethal rounds are available. People just choose not to use them.

http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/up...er-shotgun.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1890870)
not to muddy the waters further but the US is a leading terrorist state if you hold it to the same standards

You're absolutely right! Also, zionist Israel.


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