The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

Originally Posted by Frownland

I can't find that post but either way, it's a relevant component of the discussion that weakens your point when you dismiss it.

it wasn't a single post. It was a theme and even mini argument within the larger debate over whether a fantasy can be disturbing. Pretty sure if you read my posts correctly you would have known from page 1 I was not under the impression that the people in the porn are actually related.

You guys just wear me down by somehow splitting hairs over single words and phrases I use while not even comprehending the gist of my argument

That's why I've grown weary of this pass time. I just wasted half a day on this nonsense. **** me

[DwnWthVwls]

What about my other scenarios?

At the risk of using a logical fallacy id just like to poiint out that when Frown, Bat, Elph, OH, and myself all agree on something your position has to be ****ed.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by jwb

it wasn't a single post. It was a theme and even mini argument within the larger debate over whether a fantasy can be disturbing. Pretty sure if you read my posts correctly you would have known from page 1 I was not under the impression that the people in the porn are actually related.

Nobody said the bolded, it's just that role playing and the audience's knowledge of that are relevant factors to consider when claiming that these incest videos are making sexuality more depraved.

You guys just wear me down by somehow splitting hairs over single words and phrases I use while not even comprehending the gist of my argument

That's why I've grown weary of this pass time. I just wasted half a day on this nonsense. **** me

*Performs a one man tango*

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by jwb

it wasn't a single post. It was a theme and even mini argument within the larger debate over whether a fantasy can be disturbing. Pretty sure if you read my posts correctly you would have known from page 1 I was not under the impression that the people in the porn are actually related.

You guys just wear me down by somehow splitting hairs over single words and phrases I use while not even comprehending the gist of my argument

That's why I've grown weary of this pass time. I just wasted half a day on this nonsense. **** me

Nah you speak out both sides of your mouth with that ****. "It's not relevant." "I've already made that distinction." Pick one, mother****er.

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

As long as everybody consents play ball

I don’t get why sexual exploitation is considered worse than any other **** you have to do to survive.

It’s all evil. Washing dishes getting ****ed whatever.

I have a hard time understanding why some forms of oppression are accepted (having to scrub **** stains out of your bosses toilet everyday) and some aren’t (listening to your boss talk about your body parts). One person gets a huge #metoo ovation because she was humiliated once but the person who is humiliated everyday as a matter of course goes unrecognized

Is there any real evidence that watching porn is harmful (or beneficial)?

I look at porn everyday and it doesn’t change my real life sex behavior. Watching Hell’s Kitchen doesn’t change the way I cut fish either. Who is it that can’t compartmentalize?

Nah, sexual harassment can leave you feeling much more vulnerable, uncomfortable and unsafe compared to the average harassment of a **** job. Even then, having a humiliating job and being humiliated on a job are two different things.

The difference in the porn industry is that it lacks regulation and you get women lying about their age, women getting suckered into it, and women that are kidnapped and raped on camera. I'm sure the same thing happens to men too.

As for the taboo aspects of porn, I think as long as nobody is getting hurt it's probably more harmful to repress you sexuality than it is to explore it through pornography. With a few things that I think are a bigger sign of deeper issues such as women pretending to be children and extreme bdsm. I don't think either are causing the moral decay of society and I don't think society is less moral now than before. I think we're probably more moral now than before especially in being more open about sexuality. I think the evangelical Christians that harp on about the depravity of nudity and such are just as perverted as us but they keep it behind closed doors. Fuck that, they're the ones with the child fucking priests. Maybe if they were more open with their sexuality they wouldn't be so tempted to exploit young naive children who don't even know what's going on.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

The difference in the porn industry is that it lacks regulation and you get women lying about their age, women getting suckered into it, and women that are kidnapped and raped on camera. I'm sure the same thing happens to men too.

How much does this actually happen though? Don't get me wrong, the taboo of even treating pornography as a legitimate enterprise causes lawmakers to just ignore it and leave it a wild west ****hole just so they don't have their names on some pornography law, but does this really create an industry of rape and pedophilia or does it create an industry of extra special worker exploitation that should be solved by Marx rather than Chris Hansen?

It sounds like you're conflating sex trafficking with pornography, and while I'm sure sex trafficking and pornography overlap, I'm dubious that it's the calamity you're painting it as. I mean how many men kidnap women, rape them and film it, and then sell the evidence that would put them in jail for decades? Sounds like a severe niche that doesn't have much to do with the actual porn industry.

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

What about my other scenarios?

At the risk of using a logical fallacy id just like to poiint out that when Frown, Bat, Elph, OH, and myself all agree on something your position has to be ****ed.

not really

Every time I get in an argument on here it's me vs everyone else, and you clearly can't even comprehend my point based on your responses

And **** your other scenarios.

Originally Posted by Frownland

Nobody said the
bolded, it's just that role playing and the audience's knowledge of that are relevant factors to consider when claiming that these incest videos are making sexuality more depraved.

once again if you actually followed the argument you would be aware that while I agree actual incest is more disturbing, I still find incest role play and the audience that gravitates towards it kinda creepy. This was literally established near the beginning of the argument when (i think) batlord pointed out is just role playing and I said as much to him then.

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Nah you speak out both sides of your mouth with that ****. "It's not relevant." "I've already made that distinction." Pick one, mother****er.

... I'm really tired of going in circles

I said it doesn't matter with regard to whether you call it incest porn, for reasons i spelled out. You and I literally already had this discussion where I said that to me even the fantasy is disturbing. You forgot that quickly?

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

As for the taboo aspects of porn, I think as long as nobody is getting hurt it's probably more harmful to repress you sexuality than it is to explore it through pornography. With a few things that I think are a bigger sign of deeper issues such as women pretending to be children and extreme bdsm. I don't think either are causing the moral decay of society and I don't think society is less moral now than before. I think we're probably more moral now than before especially in being more open about sexuality. I think the evangelical Christians that harp on about the depravity of nudity and such are just as perverted as us but they keep it behind closed doors. Fuck that, they're the ones with the child fucking priests. Maybe if they were more open with their sexuality they wouldn't be so tempted to exploit young naive children who don't even know what's going on.

I agree the priests should be more open about their sexuality and just join NAMBLA

I mean it's better than repressing it right

Originally Posted by elphenor

is your argument that porn will give people fetishes they didn't already have

and then to follow up, in what way is this bad?

then double follow up, fetish porn has been around a lot longer than the internet

I think it's making certain trends more prevalent

Some of those trends I don't mind and some I find creepy. Incest fantasies, rape fantasies, scat, certain forms of humiliation... Yea I dunno but that **** seems ****ed up to me.

Not that I would condemn the person but maybe they need therapy or some ****

Beastiatlity, necrophiles... Even more twisted

Pedophiles.. just kill them tbh

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

How much does this actually happen though? Don't get me wrong, the taboo of even treating pornography as a legitimate enterprise causes lawmakers to just ignore it and leave it a wild west ****hole just so they don't have their names on some pornography law, but does this really create an industry of rape and pedophilia or does it create an industry of extra special worker exploitation that should be solved by Marx rather than Chris Hansen?

It sounds like you're conflating sex trafficking with pornography, and while I'm sure sex trafficking and pornography overlap, I'm dubious that it's the calamity you're painting it as. I mean how many men kidnap women, rape them and film it, and then sell the evidence that would put them in jail for decades? Sounds like a severe niche that doesn't have much to do with the actual porn industry.

No, I'm not confusing the two I'm just pointing out the overlap that I think you underestimate. It's not just raping women on camera, it's forcing women to do porn on camera. Which is still rape, just not as you're picturing it.