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Old 09-21-2019, 03:52 PM   #20481 (permalink)
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yea but you're simply wrong. I openly stated that America is wealthy based on conquest, slavery and winning ww2.
Yeah I think you're a capitalism flip flopper tbh. Like you know it isn't the bees knees but sometimes you still find yourself channeling that kid who grew up in America learning American things and you defend stuff on reflex. There's no shame in it tbh. I find it hard sometimes to think rationally about Afghanistan personally. I mean **** the Iraq War but that mu****er hit us with planes and then the Taliban gave us the finger. Wutcha gonna do but drop bombs?
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Old 09-21-2019, 03:53 PM   #20482 (permalink)
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You try to tell him multiple times to his face (so to speak) that a statistic about only people making $7.25 or below isn't representative of poverty and he just kinda bulldozes over it and shoots rainbows out of his ass into your eyes.
Except the stats I quoted cover people above that threshold too. That's why the number is 1.8 million as opposed to 550 thousand (the 550k being people at minimum wage or below: 1.8 million covers people above that threshold going up to at least 20 dollars an hour). I don't get what you guys are arguing with me about at all when you can't respond to actual numbers and I get handed some graph from 2012 that talks %s of demographics with no accompanying numbers in regards to the population stats it's supposedly citing.

The vast majority of Americans are way above those thresholds (which is why I cited the total U.S. population census in 2019 for reference). 1.8 million people is a drop in the bucket and nowhere near the 42% of our population (or whatever the hell OH was trying to cite). Present me information that actually proves otherwise.
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Old 09-21-2019, 03:54 PM   #20483 (permalink)
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It said "exactly" minimum wage. And below.
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Old 09-21-2019, 03:57 PM   #20484 (permalink)
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that was one reason, yes.

But in general they also needed to industrialize in their pov to really create communism. They needed the proletariat as a political base and the mechanized efficiency of industrial out put to truly bring them up out of backwater status and realize their communist vision.
I think it was mostly about nationalism dressed in a Marxist rhetoric but sure

however any real communist society must have no military whatsoever to work Im convinced of this

not a cent can be spent on guns, therefore there can be no countries, no borders
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Old 09-21-2019, 03:57 PM   #20485 (permalink)
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Yeah I think you're a capitalism flip flopper tbh. Like you know it isn't the bees knees but sometimes you still find yourself channeling that kid who grew up in America learning American things and you defend stuff on reflex. There's no shame in it tbh. I find it hard sometimes to think rationally about Afghanistan personally. I mean **** the Iraq War but that mu****er hit us with planes and then the Taliban gave us the finger. Wutcha gonna do but drop bombs?
well tel me where I contradicted myself and maybe then I'll admit you're onto something

But so far I'm not noticing the flip flop

Capitalism is effective at one thing which is creating wealth and streamlining production. It's bad at other things like the environment, it creates inequality, etc.
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Except the stats I quoted cover people above that threshold too. That's why the number is 1.8 million as opposed to 550 thousand (the 550k being people at minimum wage or below: 1.8 million covers people above that threshold going up to at least 20 dollars an hour). You guys are so insistent on saving your own asses that you can't even read a damn paragraph's worth of information.
So you’re claiming there’s only 1.8 million people making less than $20 an hour in the entire United States? If you are I’ll bet a permaban you’re wrong.
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I think it was mostly about nationalism dressed in a Marxist rhetoric but sure

however any real communist society must have no military whatsoever to work Im convinced of this

not a cent can be spent on guns, therefore there can be no countries, no borders
how do you ensure the other side also doesn't have guns
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Except the stats I quoted cover people above that threshold too. That's why the number is 1.8 million as opposed to 550 thousand (the 550k being people at minimum wage or below: 1.8 million covers people above that threshold going up to at least 20 dollars an hour)
Thinking that the federal minimum wage goes up to 20 dollars an hour seems pretty out of touch. You should read your own sources:

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In 2017, 80.4 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.3 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 542,000 workers earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.3 million had wages below the federal minimum. Together, these 1.8 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 2.3 percent of all hourly paid workers.
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He definitely doesn't know his employees' names.
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Thinking that the federal minimum wage goes up to 20 dollars an hour seems pretty out of touch. You should read your own sources:
Or he could get JWB to read it to him.

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