Yes, they do

There you go, add extra parameters after the fact. Also, the government forcing you to do things is a slippery slope. Ever heard of slavery?

No, I'm arguing for personal freedom. You have the right to be gay or stupid or a zionist. I have the right to tell you to fuck off [not that I would, just an example]. May not be the best policy, but it is the right of humans to discriminate.

People discriminate every day. You see a shadowy teen in an oversized coat walking toward you in the middle of the night on the sidewalk. You switch sides. BOOM! Discrimination.

The waitress asks you if you want tea or lemonade. You say tea. BOOM! Discrimination.

And the leprosy thing is mot a false equivalence. Using big words doesn't make you right LOL. But nice try.

Exactly. It's not like I'm hunting them down for it.

ENDPOINT: I may not like the way you practice your freedom, but I will fight for you to have it. I will fight equally for someone to have the right to be gay just as hard as I will fight for someone to call them a faggot.

Well, I could tell you how 20 of my family members feel about the issue and regale you with stories about them, but that would be counterproductive in this instance.

And those freedoms end when you infringe on someone else's. You likened being grossed out to being accepted. Sounds like some discrimination to me.

You have the right to be a chicken, a duck, or a brain surgeon.

About the same level of false equivalency I think.


Depends on the scenario. Are you telling me to **** off for being gay and eating in your restaurant? Because that's unacceptable and you should have your business shut down for something like that.

So you are defending discrimination.

Nice surface level talking point. Gauging a scenario is far different from treating people differently for things that aren't in their control.

I don't get it. You think that preference is discrimination?

Sorry, I thought most people would know what it means. Here's a link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

Ja you're pretty much just someone who wants to call people a ***got then. People who would act so aggressively for something so innocent should not be a part of society so idk, round them up and put them in camps? Get some saunas.

But people SHOULD have the right to discriminate. And why would you want to dine in a place that doesn't want you there? Take your business elsewhere, as will others, and the free market will sort itself out. And as long as you are not physically harming another, who cares? If someone discriminated against me for being a certain ethnicity or sexual orientation, I would tell them to fuck off. Not whine about my rights being infringed. Grow a pair.


No, freedom.

Like leprosy?

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Replace sexual orientation with race and you'll find that you are making quite the unamerican point. What do you do if every place in town discriminates against you because of what you do in private? Grow a pair of brain cells and slit those people's throats. Free market gonna get you killed.

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You're making it sound like your right to, in your private life, not associate with gay people or black people is being effected and it isn't. I think that's your main obstacle here, is that you think because there are rules that you don't like, your lifestyle is danger of somehow being taken away.

Never before in my life have I seen someone contradict themselves so many times in the span of 24 hours. Do you approve or disapprove of discrimination? Are you complaining about discrimination, or do you dislike people who complain about discrimination? Is the employer firing your ass for being a racist ******* "the free market sorting itself out" or no? All things you should stop and consider before you hit that reply button.

You just proved my point. Say there is a gay person being discriminated against. That discrimination is legal. Just because they don't appreciate that discrimination, they wrongly think that their lifestyle is in danger of being taken away.

I'm back on the ticket if you'll have me.

How anyone feels about discrimination is irrelevant. People should have the right, regardless. As long as they are not physically harming someone else.

Yes, it is.

Here's a surface level observation for you: the right to infringe on other people's rights? How do ya wrap your head around that one?

Talk about a slippery slope. If we allow people the right to create second class citizens for pointless reasons out of someone's control, they can take that to the point of deciding that they don't deserve to live. You know what they say, give them implicit oppression and they'll take a genocide.

Like starving them?

Well isn't that ****in' enlightening.

Especially then. Come on, what's free expression if you can't get away with a little death by starvation. That's maximum freedom right there.

You were never off, were you?

#ChulaHawkNewYearsTeam

It's not infringement. If you don't like me, should I petition the government to force you to bake me a cake against your will? The baker would be the one whose rights are being infringed upon.

Like children not being able to vote or drive or buy cigarettes or alcohol? I'm not advocating for this, but they are being discriminated against because of their age, which is out of their control.

I don’t think there should be age requirements for this stuff.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_from_Childhood

This book gives an interesting perspective.

If I'm selling cakes to people as a business, then yes I have to sell you a cake if you're a reasonable paying customer who happened to be in my store whilst gay. You want to bitch about infringement from the government? That's nothing compared to the atrocities that can be committed against minorities if we "let the market balance itself out." People's tendency to be idiots is the reason that the government came into the picture in the first place.

I can show you some very well established research on the difference between a child an adult's mind if you like. Did you check out that false equivalency link btw?

So in your world there's good discrimination and bad discrimination?

Man. Look up equal rights.

But you SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THINGS AGAINST YOUR WILL. That's the point! No matter the reason!

Keep saying that phrase. It's bound to pay off eventually.

There is a difference between physically harming someone and refusing to bake them a cake. Get a clue.

Good. I’m going to stop paying for meals after I eat them.

Go for it. I'm sure the situation will work itself out.

Alright. You're not allowed to buy anything in your country anymore because nobody likes you. Tough titties bro, you don't get to eat or use wifi or own a home.

We tried that **** out. It went VERY poorly.

I'll take that as a no then. It's okay, nobody's expecting you to learn basic logic at this point.

And there's a difference between just and unjust discrimination. Sexuality is not within someone's control, so discriminating against that is unjust given that the person is acting like a normal human being as those homosexuals have been found to do. Equal rights do not exist if you have the opportunity to become a second class citizen for something that's out of your control.

I'd say post the more articulate thinkpiece that got you on this path but I think we both know why that'd be silly. I don't want a link to your website.

Try not serving someone for being a minority and see how that works out. I bet my dine and dash goes easier.

Even if sexuality is more malleable than we thought a few years back, does it matter?

Nope. As long as they're not acting inappropriately, you have no reason not to serve them.

I'm going to show up at your house in the middle of the night and demand that you serve me. You'd better stick to your word, lest you be a bigot and a hypocrite!

This bores me. I'm done talking about it. You SJW's can find something else to bitch about.

Snowflake.

So if I don't like people with face tats I can refuse to bake them cakes?

If I don't like people with little curly poodles I can refuse to bake them cakes?

If I don't like people who are fat I can refuse to bake them cakes?

And don't say NO MATTER THE REASON. The reason was crystal clear in the cake case. Discrimination boils down to a very small sampling:

Homophobia
Class
Religion
Race
Politics

The cake case is all about some homophobes using the bible to justify their hatred of ***s. Don't even try to ice that cake.

So you're cool with emotional harm then? Cool, someone chops up a person = bad. Someone shames a shy gay kid until they finally blow their own brains out = OK.

Ironic.

That would be unreasonable if I was selling cakes as a business. Weak gotcha, leave that to terrible journalists. They get paid when people cringe.

If you could only choose one, which right do you think are more important?

A: The right to treat people unfairly based on arbitrary reasons that do not affect your business or life at all. This means that you can treat people differently if they're acting like they're on meth and trying to eat the children of your other customers, but not because you don't agree with them, for example.
B: The right to be treated the same as anyone else would be treated. This means that you can go into the only grocery store within the nearest 100 miles, act like any other customer would, and receive the same services that the company claims they provide, no matter what innate tendencies you might have.

Sorry that you can't handle your worldview being challenged, bro.

I do, but it depends on the kind of *******. Nice young and clean *******? Put it in them hot dogs. Old rotten and uncleaned *******s? Just don't sell them as hot dogs aight.

Even though piece of ass isn't technically inaccurate, it usually means a totally different thing.

Church

Yeah why not?

There is good AIDS and bad AIDS.

While girls get paid to pee in a cup? Where's the justice?

Um, what?
Well, yeah. After this though I think your points begin to worry me and get increasingly weird and hard, nay impossible to defend, in some cases even understand.
Not the last part. How can you equate freedom to be gay with the freedom to harrass gay people? I'm a Jew but Hitler had a point? :confused:

Bolded: Why in the name of all that's good should that be true? The only discrimination that should be allowed would be in the most surface way, like "he has very discriminating tastes" or "can you discriminate a frog from a toad?" (Btw I'm not a reptilianist, but **** toads, frogs rule!)

In red: turn the question around: why SHOULDN'T they be allowed/want to eat, work or play wherever the hell they want to? Who are you, or I, to tell them they can't? Are we going back to segregationism in your world, Merit? :rolleyes:


How the **** is it legal????
Am I still your campaign manager?
Don't be dense. The baker runs a business. It's not up to him to decide who his customers can and can't be, based on his own moral, religious or other prejudices.

Are you actually serious? So nobody who feels like working today need go in? A house is on fire but hey, the firemen don't feel like getting in the truck, so let it burn down? You need a heart bypass, but the doctor's watching golf on the telly so **** off???
There is a difference of course, but the one is really as bad as the other. Do you not realise the basis behind the refusal to bake the cake? It's called bigotry.

That's the most ridiculous analogy. Frownland doesn't work in that industry. He'll tell you to **** off, or worse, play you his latest album.
By god, Chula! Get some meat on your bones!! :laughing:

**** yes!!! <3