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Old 12-27-2014, 11:18 PM   #2241 (permalink)
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It takes like 20 seconds to clean your bellend.
Honestly I wish you Brits would just call it a penis. I think British English and American English respectively have better words for things (the Underground, the metric system, fullstop), but bellend just sounds horribly demeaning, and not manly at all.
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Old 12-27-2014, 11:19 PM   #2242 (permalink)
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I call the end a helmet.
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Old 12-27-2014, 11:24 PM   #2243 (permalink)
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Parents who are too douchy to take care of their children's genitals and teach them to take care of their genitals when they come of age probably aren't putting much if any thought into circumcision. You guys are acting like it's so much of a hassle that it necessitates removal. And that it's mostly only Jewish people who this concerns.

The bottom line is, imo, it's an invasion of a person's right to have a body that they're comfortable with. There are people out there who have been circumcised and wish they hadn't been. How is that not the end of this discussion?
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Honestly I wish you Brits would just call it a penis. I think British English and American English respectively have better words for things (the Underground, the metric system, fullstop), but bellend just sounds horribly demeaning, and not manly at all.
It's called a bellend cos it looks like the end of a bell mate, I don't think it sounds demeaning at all.

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Old 12-27-2014, 11:26 PM   #2244 (permalink)
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bellend just sounds horribly demeaning, and not manly at all.
maybe if they call it an EXTREME BALD EAGLE TURBO BELL END HYAHHHHH it'll be "manly"
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Old 12-28-2014, 12:00 AM   #2245 (permalink)
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Only if the parent takes the time.

Lots of douche parents out there.

Again, weird f*cking topic. Such a no brainer for me.
Sure, it's a no brainier for some, but for people who use their brains it's pretty reasonable to wonder, "hey, is it really justifiable to subject a baby to unnecessary surgery?"
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Old 12-28-2014, 12:16 AM   #2246 (permalink)
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Old 12-28-2014, 08:40 AM   #2247 (permalink)
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Congrats to DwnWthVwls for doing some research. The link he posted makes a strong argument in favour of circumcision although in the end I found it to be suspiciously biased. Evidence of their bias is here, in the way that they demonize people who consider circumcision unnecessary:-

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They attempt to intimidate doctors, even mounting lawsuits that are inevitably thrown out of court. It has even been suggested that anti-circumcision groups should really be regarded as a cult devoted to worship of the foreskin - the parallels are obvious to any observer.
Not investigating very far, I found another site which seemed less biased. It notably prefixes the medical benefits of circumcision with the word “may”, indicating that the pro and con argument is still open to discussion:-
Circumcision: Learn the Pros and Cons of This Common Surgery

While there is some undeniable statistical correlation between better hygiene and circumcision, imo itīs not sufficiently strong to outweigh the downside of infant circumcision: –
> itīs not essential
> itīs done without the victimīs consent (which WhateverDude rightly condemns)
> itīs irreversible
> it may lead to various problems in later life:
Spoiler for statistics Iīve already quoted:
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...one such organization distributed questionnaires to circumcised men. The complaints included prominent scarring (33%), insufficient penile skin for comfortable erection (27%), erectile curvature from uneven skin loss (16%), and pain and bleeding upon erection/manipulation (17%). Psychological complaints included feelings of mutilation (60%), low self-esteem/inferiority to "intact" men (50%), genital dysmorphia (55%), rage (52%), resentment/depression (59%), violation (46%), or parental betrayal (30%). Many respondents reported that their physical/emotional suffering impeded emotional intimacy with their partner(s), resulting in sexual dysfunction. Prominent men known to be unhappy about being circumcised include Sigmund Freud, A E Houseman, W.H. Auden, Geoffrey Keynes and his brother John Maynard Keynes, the famous economist. In 1996 the British Medical Journal published a letter by 20 men saying that "we have been harmed by circumcision in childhood"; they argued that "it cannot be ethical for a doctor to amputate normal tissue from a normal child". Dr. Benjamin Spock (1903 – 1998), whose Baby and Child Care is the biggest selling American single-author book in history, originally supported circumcision but changed his mind near the end of his life.

Chula says itīs a no brainer and that newborns donīt feel sh*t. TBH I would refute both these statements. Firstly, thereīs plenty to be discussed on both sides, as this thread indicates. On the second point, regarding newborn sensitivity, newborns are actually infamous for crying at the least discomfort (too hot, too cold, etc). Yes, the operation is less painful for newborns, but even though they wonīt remember the trauma of circumcision, they will have to live with whatever the consequences may be for the rest of their lives - as mentioned in the statistics above.

My bottom line is that there is sufficient uncertainty over the issue that forcing an irreversible nonconsensual operation on a newborn is a mistake. Better to wait and see if health problems arise in later life; after all, not every uncircumcised male runs into the kind of problems that Chulaīs and mordwryīs brothers-in-law had. The options come down to this:-
..........Infant circumcision - may cause problems in later life; canīt be undone
..........No circumcision - may cause problems in later life; circumcision with patientīs approval remains an option

To me, if the issue really were a no brainer, the no brainer would be there, between the words "canīt be undone" and "remains an option".
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Old 12-28-2014, 08:47 AM   #2248 (permalink)
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I call the end a helmet.
More of a cap IMO.

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Old 12-28-2014, 09:04 AM   #2249 (permalink)
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Congrats to DwnWthVwls for doing some research. The link he posted makes a strong argument in favour of circumcision although in the end I found it to be suspiciously biased. Evidence of their bias is here, in the way that they demonize people who consider circumcision unnecessary:-



Not investigating very far, I found another site which seemed less biased. It notably prefixes the medical benefits of circumcision with the word “may”, indicating that the pro and con argument is still open to discussion:-
Circumcision: Learn the Pros and Cons of This Common Surgery

While there is some undeniable statistical correlation between better hygiene and circumcision, imo itīs not sufficiently strong to outweigh the downside of infant circumcision: –
> itīs not essential
> itīs done without the victimīs consent (which WhateverDude rightly condemns)
> itīs irreversible
> it may lead to various problems in later life:

Chula says itīs a no brainer and that newborns donīt feel sh*t. TBH I would refute both these statements. Firstly, thereīs plenty to be discussed on both sides, as this thread indicates. On the second point, regarding newborn sensitivity, newborns are actually infamous for crying at the least discomfort (too hot, too cold, etc). Yes, the operation is less painful for newborns, but even though they wonīt remember the trauma of circumcision, they will have to live with whatever the consequences may be for the rest of their lives - as mentioned in the statistics above.

My bottom line is that there is sufficient uncertainty over the issue that forcing an irreversible nonconsensual operation on a newborn is a mistake. Better to wait and see if health problems arise in later life; after all, not every uncircumcised male runs into the kind of problems that Chulaīs and mordwryīs brothers-in-law had. The options come down to this:-
..........Infant circumcision - may cause problems in later life; canīt be undone
..........No circumcision - may cause problems in later life; circumcision with patientīs approval remains an option

To me, if the issue really were a no brainer, the no brainer would be there, between the words "canīt be undone" and "remains an option".
Very well considered points, Lisnaholic. It seems to me that the body parts we're born with are there for a reason and the burden is really on the people who want to remove them to make the case that doing so is a good idea.
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Old 12-28-2014, 10:46 AM   #2250 (permalink)
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I'd be upset if my parents didn't circumcise me and eat the foreskin.

Like I said before, it looks a lot nicer and I'd hate to undergo cosmetic surgery as an adult to have a fancy penis. Roxxy, would it look good with a foreskin?
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