The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[jwb]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

What are you some kinda dumb bitch? These libs ain't gonna do any of that ****. But...

I know they won't. My point though it's that move honestly doesn't really work in my mind for anyone other than a genuine autocrat. It's not just a problem of the Dems being too sheepish in this case... I think the method you are describing basically presumes giving up on democracy and seizing control.

1. You seem to think people will unite to fight against authoritarianism even though your entire political beliefs are about the opposite.

I don't assume people will unite no. I think they will continue to polarize and entrench in their respective sides, and if the tensions get high enough then the chance for violence and destabilization becomes higher. I don't know exactly how far this specific scenario would go but to me it seems very likely to lead to something like this or at least to run a significant risk to. I think the fact that people were willing to coup over some rumors about the election being faked gives us a pretty clear indication of how provocative it would be to blatantly arrest the opposition on trumped up charges.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by jwb

I know they won't. My point though it's that move honestly doesn't really work in my mind for anyone other than a genuine autocrat. It's not just a problem of the Dems being too sheepish in this case... I think the method you are describing basically presumes giving up on democracy and seizing control.

They wouldn't actually need to. The Republican party is currently working on the assumption that the Dems won't call them on their attempted coup but it was clearly a coup. If the Dems just took them seriously it would be ridiculous to push back on them arresting all of these people clearly trying to overthrow the government. If you're trying to require proof it was a coup then I'm sorry but eat a dick.

I don't assume people will unite no. I think they will continue to polarize and entrench in their respective sides, and if the tensions get high enough then the chance for violence and destabilization becomes higher. I don't know exactly how far this specific scenario would go but to me it seems very likely to lead to something like this or at least to run a significant risk to. I think the fact that people were willing to coup over some rumors about the election being faked gives us a pretty clear indication of how provocative it would be to blatantly arrest the opposition on trumped up charges.

Yup I guess we'd see what happens and who's willing to get shot, but better now than when the coup party has gone even farther.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

They wouldn't actually need to. The Republican party is currently working on the assumption that the Dems won't call them on their attempted coup but it was clearly a coup. If the Dems just took them seriously it would be ridiculous to push back on them arresting all of these people clearly trying to overthrow the government. If you're trying to require proof it was a coup then I'm sorry but eat a dick.

You can't on the one hand say we should arrest people who aren't implicated in provable crimes and then on the other hand act like anyone who might object to the arrests would be ridiculous. It's completely predictable and it's what should be expected in any even remotely functional liberal democracy.

Yup I guess we'd see what happens and who's willing to get shot, but better now than when the coup party has gone even farther.

Are you ruling out the prospect that it might actually end up for the worse, or do you just like to gamble?

[The Batlord]

Do you believe that the Republican Party would have rubber stamped Trump's coup if it had worked? Or if it had been smarter that more would have actively supported it? Do you believe they are currently trying to subvert the Democratic process through beaurpcratic ****ery?

If the answer to any of those is "yes" then why the **** are we even having this conversation?

[SGR]

The walls may be closing in on former President Donald Trump

[rubber soul]

Not going to happen. We live in a nation of double standards. The Republicans are accusing the Democrats of doing the same exact thing they did during Trump's reign.

[music_collector]

This reminds me of the three Spiderman meme.

The more things change
The more they stay the same
All we need's a miracle to take us all away from the pain
-Cinderella

[jwb]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Do you believe that the Republican Party would have rubber stamped Trump's coup if it had worked? Or if it had been smarter that more would have actively supported it? Do you believe they are currently trying to subvert the Democratic process through beaurpcratic ****ery?

If the answer to any of those is "yes" then why the **** are we even having this conversation?

because none of what you said sounds like it amounts to **** as far as justifying arrests of people you yourself said might not have sufficient evidence against them

It's fine to larp about seizing power in such a fashion but doing so while clinging to the banner of saving democracy is just ****in lame.

[The Batlord]

Lame? Saying we should just outvote the people trying to make voting irrelevant is as cucked as it gets.

[Trollheart]

As a famous judge once said