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Lisnaholic 09-01-2018 06:23 AM

^ Thanks for posting this interesting story, OH. It must be very worrying for Angela Merkel - especially the knowledge that a similar incident could occur again at any moment.
Sorry if it sounds pedantic, but isn't there a distinction between a Syrian and Iraqui guy being suspected of murder and Syria annexing a town? I wonder if you can join the dots for us without recourse to far-right propaganda. :D

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1992903)
You and a few others here also have a difficult time wrapping your minds around a very simple fact: if you want to put Trump away for something, it would be helpful if his political opposition weren't complicit in similar crimes.

^ I think I have successfully wrapped my head around your idea, Anteater, and in fact it's absolutely true. Unfortunately, as others have said, it's legally irrelevent.

Many of Trumps cries, allegations and promises have borne no fruit at all when tested in irl: "Lock her up","Obama is phone-tapping me", "Who will pay for the wall? Mexico!" If I were a Trump supporter, I'd be wondering by now why nothing has come of these claims; I might even make a comparison about investigations into the Clintons and investigations conducted by Mueller. If I then found this score card on line, I suspect my loyalty to Trump would be tested to breaking point :-

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...QTJPArM2_kJNlR

^ If these stats are true, 12 years of investigating the Clintons have found nothing worth indicting on. Mueller's investigation has come up with a bunch of legal liabilities after just a year. More importantly, Mueller's investigation is throwing light on the real and present danger of continued Russian meddling.

(My apologies for posting a photo that says, "Enough said" at the bottom. That's a very rude and arrogant way to contribute to a discussion imo.)

Anteater 09-01-2018 07:27 AM

Everything I've brought up about Clinton is in reference to the 2016 election, which is the same time frame that Mueller is investigating. Benghazi is too long ago to be relevant unfortunately.

Frownland 09-01-2018 07:41 AM

Clinton wasn't found guilty in the Benghazi investigation, therefore she could never be found guilty of money laundering. Quickmafs

Lisnaholic 09-01-2018 05:05 PM

^ Well, I'm certainly not saying that. It would be ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1993222)
Many of Trumps cries, allegations and promises have borne no fruit at all when tested in irl: "Lock her up","Obama is phone-tapping me", "Who will pay for the wall? Mexico!" If I were a Trump supporter, I'd be wondering by now why nothing has come of these claims; ....

^ In part, I'm saying that I've heard about HC's alleged crimes from a source I've learned not to trust:-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.9535f48e67e7 = President Trump has made 4, 299 false claims in 558 days.

I'm just a villager in the fable about the boy who cried wolf; no longer taking Trump's claims seriously. Goes ditto for many GOP members, starting with Sean Spicer...

Cuthbert 09-01-2018 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1993212)
https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/09/01/eur...ntl/index.html

How surprising that many Germans don’t want to be annexed by Syria.

Link not working.

Anteater 09-01-2018 08:00 PM

The New York Times - Agents Tried to Flip Russian Oligarchs. The Fallout Spread to Trump.

I'm gonna guess it went a little something like this...

Quote:

"Oh hai FBI, сука блять!"

"Hey we need your help to go after the Russian mob."

"Sure I could help with that."

"Also, can you become our informant and help us entrap the Trump campaign so it makes it look like they colluded with Putin?"

"No that sounds illegal."

"WE WILL DESTROY YOUR LIFFFEEEEEE!!!!!!1111"

Chula Vista 09-02-2018 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1993353)
[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/01/us/politics/deripaska-ohr-steele-fbi.html"]

Do you spend you entire days trying to find **** that will deflect from what's going on with your boy and his hood?

You never post about the legal stuff via Indictments, and plea deals, that actually damages Trump and his posse. Only stuff that you feel deflects. Why is that Ant?

In other news:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/01/polit...nts/index.html

Lilja 09-02-2018 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1993212)
https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/09/01/eur...ntl/index.html

How surprising that many Germans don’t want to be annexed by Syria.

I don't know about being annexed but everything that is happening there really isn't that surprising. Even in Sweden, there was a march in Stockholm just last week by the Nordic Resistance Movement (nazis) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2uSNhHDVag

The whole thing in Germany with the German being killed is just fuel for the fire of people being angered over the whole immigration issue. I think that in the end, people are mad because of the benifits alloted to the refugees in terms of money, housing, etc.

I saw a Nazi just the other day at the train station (had Nordic resistance symbols all over and such). Honestly, I should be mad that this is happening. But I didn't say a word and just walked on by. And that is what many are doing in Germany, Sweden, etc. Just walking by because we are just tired of it all. And that is how I think, acceptance starts. And it is scary.

OccultHawk 09-02-2018 04:08 AM

You don’t let in a million immigrants from a dysfunctional culture in a very short time without getting some backlash. Merkel has overstepped. It’s an unfair burden on the working poor in Germany. It’s also an affront to their culture and they should have been given a say beforehand.

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I think that in the end, people are mad because of the benifits alloted to the refugees in terms of money, housing, etc.
They should be. That’s government assistance they’ll never see.

Lilja 09-02-2018 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1993406)
You don’t let in a million immigrants from a dysfunctional culture in a very short time without getting some backlash. Merkel has overstepped. It’s an unfair burden on the working poor in Germany. It’s also an affront to their culture and they should have been given a say beforehand.



They should be. That’s government assistance they’ll never see.

I think Merkel was trying to change Germany's image to a more positive one in terms of welcming refugees. But, like Sweden, there was an unchecked stream of refugees and neither Germany nor Sweden could support them all and continue to have a wide open door to them.

I think Sweden's next election is going to be really interesting because SD (Sweden Democrats) are getting alot of support here and they want to take away all these benifits that the refugees have gotten/curb migration/take away Dual Citizenship/etc. It's an interesting time.

Anteater 09-02-2018 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1993393)
Do you spend you entire days trying to find **** that will deflect from what's going on with your boy and his hood?

You never post about the legal stuff via Indictments, and plea deals, that actually damages Trump and his posse. Only stuff that you feel deflects. Why is that Ant?

In other news:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/01/polit...nts/index.html

Because the indictments are irrelevant unless they actually come up with an end result of political consequence. The mainstream media is fixated on them because they're the new shiny object in the room.

Manafort and Cohen or anyone who isn't critical to Trump's administration going away or being fined is meaningless unless they had some critical information to pin down Trump. And based on how much backtracking Cohen's lawyer did after making false claims about the Trump Tower meeting, it appears that Mueller didn't get what he wanted from these exchanges or his team would have gone ahead and trumpeted an announcement immediately after his trial.

The Deripaska story, on the other hand, was only reported by The New York Times yesterday until it got picked up by other outlets half a day later. It was at the top of Google's search results for 'Trump' just yesterday. Not a hard thing to uncover unless you think .2 seconds is too much time. In that story, the relationship between Ohr, Steele and others are explored in greater detail, and it doesn't look good because it also illustrates that the dossier was critical to establishing the special counsel's investigation and that FBI hoped to flip Russian oligarchs (eventually) to siding with them because they had no way to validate any of the information that Steele had supposedly uncovered. If they play their cards wrong (since they were already looking into Trump in 2015), it will come off as a validation of Trump's witch hunt commentary.

If you want to know how this will actually play out, you need to understand the arguments being made on both sides. And when I say arguments, I mean REAL arguments that cover legalities. The Democrats make a good moral case for removing Trump but it has some serious issues, so I don't see it holding up if literal Russian oligarchs are showing up and saying "The FBI tried to turn us into assets to result in a specific outcome, even if that outcome isn't based on evidence.". I haven't seen anything yet presented by the Dems that justify what we are learning about how the FBI, the DNC and how other organizations conducted themselves. If you are going to say your opponent directly colluded with a foreign government, you need something else other than character attacks and "B-b-but he must be in debt with the Russians! CNN told me so111".

The reality is that the special counsel and the FBI have gotten multiple people seeking immunity because these people (the ones seeking immunity) are afraid Mueller will financially ruin their lives if they fight it in court. It's a lot easier to say "I'll tell you what I know" even if they don't have anything to say because it will cost them the least amount of money to take that road. Strong-arming people to ensure cooperation is a common tactic.

[MERIT] 09-02-2018 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1993544)
not letting in refugees is effectively sentencing people to death remember that

Then wouldn't every country that didn't offer to take them in have blood on their hands by that edict?

[MERIT] 09-02-2018 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1993553)
that's what I'm sayin

I'm hungry. If I starve to death, is every person who didn't offer to buy me some KFC guilty of my death?

Frownland 09-02-2018 08:22 PM

Got em!

Frownland 09-02-2018 09:25 PM

Deputy shoots suspect at Del Mar Fairgrounds

Wow that's crazy. I had no idea that Ice Cube was doing a free show.

Frownland 09-02-2018 11:14 PM

Video: https://twitter.com/andrea_m0ren0/st...44445816762368

[MERIT] 09-03-2018 12:23 AM

That Twitter link doesn't work. Here are some archived versions of it:

https://archive.is/WZinW

https://web.archive.org/web/20180903...44445816762368

And here is link to a video that might be congruent to what it might have shown:

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=EAut_1535944989

Frownland 09-03-2018 12:28 AM

Ja the Liveleak one is it. From the comments:

https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a..._4cgcLWHNhQ8ps

The Batlord 09-03-2018 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 1993554)
I'm hungry. If I starve to death, is every person who didn't offer to buy me some KFC guilty of my death?

If you sat back and watched someone starve to death while you ate a bucket of KFC would you be guilty of something?

OccultHawk 09-03-2018 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 66Sexy (Post 1993610)
If you sat back and watched someone starve to death while you ate a bucket of KFC would you be guilty of something?

Church’s > Popeyes > KFC

Poor decision making skills

Oriphiel 09-03-2018 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1993613)
Church’s > Popeyes > KFC

Poor decision making skills

How about KFDN?

Kentucky Fried DEEZ NUTZ

The Batlord 09-03-2018 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1993615)
How about KFDN?

Good band.

Justthefacts 09-04-2018 02:03 PM

Punk Fucks Shit Up During Horah at Cousin’s Bar Mitzvah

The picture they use is the fucking funniest thing I've ever seen.

Key 09-05-2018 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Justthefacts (Post 1994092)
Punk Fucks Shit Up During Horah at Cousin’s Bar Mitzvah

The picture they use is the fucking funniest thing I've ever seen.

404 error. Probably because the swear words in the link are censored.

Plankton 09-05-2018 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1992456)
^ This is a surprisingly large figure. Are you confusing "occupying" (which implies controlling the govment and people by force) with "maintaining a presence in"? Plankton can explain the difference, I imagine, because he was stationed in Germany as part of a continuing US military presence there. I don't think he would have considered himself as part of an occupying force and nor should he have.

They handed me a gun and a NATO card. *shrug* The only thing I occupied were some Fraulein's underpants.

WWWP 09-05-2018 12:19 PM

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/05/healt...ill/index.html

Snakes or zombies?

DwnWthVwls 09-05-2018 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1994355)
404 error. Probably because the swear words in the link are censored.

https://thehardtimes.net/wp-content/...barmitzvah.jpg

The Batlord 09-05-2018 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wolverinewolfweiselpigeon (Post 1994373)

Harrison Ford.

Anteater 09-05-2018 04:13 PM


Business Insider - A farmer running for Minnesota state representative identifies as the N-word in his first campaign ad


How to commit political suicide in 24 hours or less. :usehead:

The Batlord 09-05-2018 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1994417)

**** yeah, nigga, show some balls!

And Business Insider does realize it makes them look pathetic for using "the N-word" in a professional news article, don't they?

Anteater 09-05-2018 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1994424)
democrat gets mad at the use of the N-word

"muh free speech college campuses snowflake blue hair safe space"

democrat uses N-word

"can't believe it political suicide"

The guy's campaign Facebook page is literally bombarded by comments from African-Americans calling him a "disgrace to our race", among other things. But it's like, what did he think was going to happen?

The Batlord 09-05-2018 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1994430)
The guy's campaign Facebook page is literally bombarded by comments from African-Americans calling him a "disgrace to our race", among other things. But it's like, what did he think was going to happen?

"I'm not racist I have black friends."

OccultHawk 09-05-2018 05:42 PM

The word n igger is so scary that it must not be uttered by whites or spelled correctly by blacks. It’s horrifying. What a frightening word. Ironically n igger is the n igger of words but we must not even call the word n igger a n igger. Can’t even think it.

That said. If I were going to vote. I would vote for the candidate who insisted on being my n igger. If elected I’d contact him immediately for a shoeshine. Then off to the whipping post to formally change his name to Toby. A fine name.

Anteater 09-05-2018 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1994445)
if it was a Trump supporting Republican you'd have posted the story with the angle of lefties being triggered

Nah. There's already been dumb Trump supporting white guys who said n1gger publicly pretty recently, like that one dude who got outed on Cohen's Who Is America show. But they aren't triggering the libs: they're just stupid.

Chula Vista 09-05-2018 07:21 PM

https://media.giphy.com/media/MOD0Y2LUFfwzK/giphy.gif

Key 09-05-2018 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1994453)
Nah. There's already been dumb Trump supporting white guys who said n1gger publically pretty recently, like that one dude who got outed on Cohen's Who Is America show. But they aren't triggering the libs: they're just stupid.

Yeaaaah.

Anteater 09-05-2018 08:15 PM

What a wonderfully non-specific way to criticize someone.

OccultHawk 09-05-2018 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1994491)
What a wonderfully non-specific way to criticize someone.

You misspelled a word. I guess your entire line of reasoning is faulty.

Key 09-05-2018 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1994493)
You misspelled a word. I guess your entire line of reasoning is faulty.

I didn't bold the rest of his post because I honestly don't care what it says. I just felt like pointing out a typo.

Anteater 09-05-2018 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1994493)
You misspelled a word. I guess your entire line of reasoning is faulty.

If folks don't like something they gotta come out and say it. I'm not a mindreader like this guy:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ogLZmBEHNEM/hqdefault.jpg


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