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Old 02-28-2018, 10:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
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yes,yes, and yes

the dues paid everyone to picket for a couple weeks instead of working, this was a large chain grocery store
I respect that.

The teacher’s union in Florida left me pretty ****ing bitter with good reason.

Yes we need organized labor but but the unions haven’t had a nutsac for several decades.
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Old 02-28-2018, 11:11 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Cool movie from the late 70s that highlights some of the sleazy aspects of unions (automobile) pretty good.

Blue Collar with Richard Pryor, Yaphet Kotto, and Harvey Keitel.

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Unions are subject to corruption like anything else but the numbers are clear unions mean higher wages + better benefits

virtually everything that doesn't suck sloppy testicles about working in Capitalism can be attributed to Union work
**** yes, easy answers are the best answers.
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Unions are subject to corruption like anything else but the numbers are clear unions mean higher wages + better benefits

virtually everything that doesn't suck sloppy testicles about working in Capitalism can be attributed to Union work
No doubt. Labor needs an organized RADICAL voice. But wait until you’re a member and it turns out you have no ****ing say and your union reps are so intertwined with your bosses and bureaucratic administration that instead of protecting you you’re paying dues to people who are out eating expensive meals with your bosses while you’re getting ****ed by the union itself.

The union I paid dues actually fired first year teachers who had problems. The school board didn’t fire them. I want you to hear this ****ing clearly so you can think about how incredibly non-adversarial the relationship between administration on the union was. The union actually fired the teachers. I’m not ****ting you, I don’t have it wrong.

Join a union and try to be a strong voice labor and THEY WILL HAVE YOU FIRED.
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Unions are not typically out to protect first year anyone that much is true

Union I was apart of didn't protect workers for their first 6 months or so a probation period

you can get better deals for senior employees this way
The UAW was taking bribes from Chrysler and was in on using corrupt distorted interpretations of bankruptcy laws and negotiating **** contracts in crazy legalese to cheat lifetime employees out of their retirement benefits. The retirees are still ****ed and the high level union reps, lawyers, and CEOs are still living large.

The unions are just another hierarchy.
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Like if you're the employer you're less excited to give in to benefits if it means you can get stuck with expensive bad employees
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Apparently cutting benefits to a special group is virtue signalling but providing them in the first place is not.

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on a more radical note the gov has passed laws decimating unions because they were such a threat to the existing hierarchies
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
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evil >>>>> evil
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Come to think of it it's not so much a lesser of two evils situation, it's more of an enemy of my enemy is my friend situation. Like saying that Donald Trump tried to silence Steve Bannon, therefore Steve Bannon is pretty alright in my book.

I've already explained to you at length why the lesser of two evils is so dumb so I'll just leave you to fetishize your evil.
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