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The Batlord 12-30-2017 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1909613)
What exactly did this 7-year veteran fear from the guy? That he'd shoot lasers out of his eyes? He was obviously unarmed. Why are cops so eager to literally shoot first and ask questions later now?
It's basically a militaristic, zero-tolerance policy thing where the police are to assume the absolute worst in order to ensure the highest level of survivability for them since them getting shot and disabled would result in an armed danger to the community. It's basically what would make sense in a guerilla war zone.

OccultHawk 12-30-2017 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1909625)
It's basically a militaristic, zero-tolerance policy thing where the police are to assume the absolute worst in order to ensure the highest level of survivability for them since them getting shot and disabled would result in an armed danger to the community. It's basically what would make sense in a guerilla war zone.
It’s the Iraq/Afghanistan to America pipeline.

Every other pig was trained for war.

Trollheart 12-30-2017 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1909616)
This ain’t Ireland, son. We can’t just go around eye-****ing the popo.
WTF does that mean? Our police aren't even armed, usually.
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1909625)
It's basically a militaristic, zero-tolerance policy thing where the police are to assume the absolute worst in order to ensure the highest level of survivability for them since them getting shot and disabled would result in an armed danger to the community. It's basically what would make sense in a guerilla war zone.
Isn't the motto To Serve and Protect? Didn't realise it was themselves they were trying to protect. :rolleyes: So basically, in training they're being told "If it even LOOKS like someone MIGHT have a gun or ANY weapon, no matter how small the possibility, SHOOT TO KILL?" Can't these guys even wound someone? I mean, it's still bad, but at least the innocent wouldn't be dying...

OccultHawk 12-30-2017 01:09 PM
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WTF does that mean? Our police aren't even armed, usually
We ain’t got the same police, son.

The Batlord 12-30-2017 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1909652)
WTF does that mean? Our police aren't even armed, usually.


Isn't the motto To Serve and Protect? Didn't realise it was themselves they were trying to protect. :rolleyes: So basically, in training they're being told "If it even LOOKS like someone MIGHT have a gun or ANY weapon, no matter how small the possibility, SHOOT TO KILL?" Can't these guys even wound someone? I mean, it's still bad, but at least the innocent wouldn't be dying...
Shoot to wound and the perp could still be able to shoot back. If you're going to shoot then make sure it is effective. Of course if you're going that route then I think you should make reasonably sure that you're in danger than just the perp lowering his hands. But such is our police.

Cuthbert 12-30-2017 01:54 PM
Shooting to wound = hitting a limb, probably going to be a moving limb. So guys are expected to hit a small moving target without missing :D

And even if they hit the suspect they can still shoot back as Bat says.

Blank. 12-30-2017 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1909652)
Isn't the motto To Serve and Protect? Didn't realise it was themselves they were trying to protect. :rolleyes: So basically, in training they're being told "If it even LOOKS like someone MIGHT have a gun or ANY weapon, no matter how small the possibility, SHOOT TO KILL?" Can't these guys even wound someone? I mean, it's still bad, but at least the innocent wouldn't be dying...
My brother is a cop and he always says this, "The people I'm there to serve and protect usually aren't even in danger. They got out of harms way to call us. And if there is people in danger, I have seconds to assess the situation and determine who is and isn't a threat. Then you have the element of adrenaline which can cause anyone to have an itchy trigger finger when they shouldn't."

Frownland 12-30-2017 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1909673)
Shooting to wound = hitting a limb, probably going to be a moving limb. So guys are expected to hit a small moving target without missing :D

And even if they hit the suspect they can still shoot back as Bat says.
They're not expected to hit a moving target as such because they're trained to shoot to kill.

Cuthbert 12-30-2017 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1909697)
They're not expected to hit a moving target as such because they're trained to shoot to kill.
I know that I'm saying for the guys who bring this up when someone is killed and want them to shoot to wound instead, you're pretty much expecting them to hit a moving limb.

The Batlord 12-30-2017 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1909703)
I know that I'm saying for the guys who bring this up when someone is killed and want them to shoot to wound instead, you're pretty much expecting them to hit a moving limb.
That honestly is unrealistic. If I'm going to expect an officer to hit something it's going to be a torso. No matter my feelings on these police shootings, it only makes sense to shoot at a torso.


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