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Old 02-01-2018, 12:00 PM   #9561 (permalink)
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it'd take several years to get anywhere in it's construction
And? You don't think that there will be lobbyists and congresspeople too tied to the wall's completion/budget allotment to let it die once it's put into effect?
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Old 02-01-2018, 12:08 PM   #9562 (permalink)
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And? You don't think that there will be lobbyists and congresspeople too tied to the wall's completion/budget allotment to let it die once it's put into effect?
Plus, you can’t waste a billions of dollars without letting people die.
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Old 02-01-2018, 12:09 PM   #9563 (permalink)
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it'd take several years to get anywhere in it's construction

and I personally am down to fight that fight at the border sabotaging construction where it can be done

but to let DACA residents defenseless to prove a political point, it's ****ed man
How many people are going to care enough about a ****ing wall to lose their **** over it? And this isn't about a political point. It's about once and for all letting the reality of the right's philosophy towards immigration be laid bare where it can't be seen as anything else but anti-human racism. That's the only way to finally shift the narrative against them so that bitching about illegal immigration becomes akin to bitching about Jews using banks to manipulate the world's economy.

At this point it's still feasible to say this **** on TV and not ruin your political career. That needs to end.
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Old 02-01-2018, 12:16 PM   #9564 (permalink)
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How many people are going to care enough about a ****ing wall to lose their **** over it? And this isn't about a political point. It's about once and for all letting the reality of the right's philosophy towards immigration be laid bare where it can't be seen as anything else but anti-human racism. That's the only way to finally shift the narrative against them so that bitching about illegal immigration becomes akin to bitching about Jews using banks to manipulate the world's economy.

At this point it's still feasible to say this **** on TV and not ruin your political career. That needs to end.
So you support the wall so it can be used against the right as a monument to hate in the future?

Sorry if I’m too thick to catch your point.

Sorry I get it. You mean let the deportations begin so we can just start getting on with what needs to be done.
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Old 02-01-2018, 12:21 PM   #9565 (permalink)
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the narrative is already against them

majority disapproval of Trump on both these issues

this is about damage control

it's basically lose lose
It doesn’t have to be. Trump doesn’t have us in a corner unless we put ourselves there.
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Old 02-01-2018, 12:27 PM   #9566 (permalink)
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the narrative is already against them

majority disapproval of Trump on both these issues

this is about damage control

it's basically lose lose
The narrative for wishy washy people who lazily support illegal immigrants is not as powerful as the narrative pushed by a far more vocal and froth-mouthed minority. It's a very real reason why Donald ****ing Trump was elected, so please don't dismiss it as if the battle is basically won but with some messy cleanup. Dreamers wouldn't be in danger of being deported if so.

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So you support the wall so it can be used against the right as a monument to hate in the future?

Sorry if I’m too thick to catch your point.

Sorry I get it. You mean let the deportations begin so we can just start getting on with what needs to be done.
I'd like to think that the deportations could be stopped in their tracks when Facebook videos of screaming families being ripped apart started showing up on everyone's feed, but yes. No matter how much you appease, this anti-immigration frenzy isn't going anywhere so long as Hispanic immigration continues, so this battle will probably need to be fought at some point anyway. Might as well take a stand now.
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for a revolution to happen we’d need enough people who would rather die in a fire than continue on with this ****

I don’t really think it’s about a certain trigger or something to resist or an objective of some sort

what we need is for a very angry nihilism to spread out of control

maybe we’re getting there
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Old 02-01-2018, 01:43 PM   #9568 (permalink)
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for a revolution to happen we’d need enough people who would rather die in a fire than continue on with this ****

I don’t really think it’s about a certain trigger or something to resist or an objective of some sort

what we need is for a very angry nihilism to spread out of control

maybe we’re getting there
We need the economy to tank long and hard for that to happen. So long as people can buy food easily they'll never get angry enough to revolt. But when people are getting carried off, perhaps, just perhaps, at least the Hispanics will do something about it. Even if it fails at least a body count will be there for all to see that America did this and in five, ten, twenty years or whatever the shame will have had enough time to snowball that it'll have more power than rolling our eyes at some stupid wall. And if none of this is enough to make anybody care then maybe they're better off in Mexico where they won't have to deal with our ****. Man, I don't know.
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I wish JWB were here (and I wouldn't ban him immediately). This is way too echo-chambery to be fun.
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Jesus this is scary. Girl of 20 admitted to hospital with a pain in her back, dies that night and they don't know why!
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