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[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by elphenor

communes are doomed to poverty as they're surrounded by capitalism

it's always been that communism must be global to succeed

This is what I always tell people. Communism can never succeed when the whole world thrives on capitalist values. I notice a lot of the times a socialist or communist government crumbles it has something to do with trade deals. But I'm also not as educated as you guys so it feels good for my thoughts to be validated.

[jwb]

Ok so communism is global. So I guess that applies to the anarchist version too, even though it's sorta impossible for me to imagine a global anarchist order.

But then do you honestly believe the entire world is gonna be converted at once? Wouldn't living in a commune be more equitable than a low wage corporate job, and help you at least learn things about managing that kind of dynamic more than continuing to punch a clock will?

In other words... Are you sure that a better path to your goal doesn't involve trial and error and leading by example rather than getting completely immersed in Marxist theory while continuing to live by punching a clock or collecting a salary?

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by jwb

Ok so communism is global. So I guess that applies to the anarchist version too, even though it's sorta impossible for me to imagine a global anarchist order.

But then do you honestly believe the entire world is gonna be converted at once? Wouldn't living in a commune be more equitable than a low wage corporate job, and help you at least learn things about managing that kind of dynamic more than continuing to punch a clock will?

In other words... Are you sure that a better path to your goal doesn't involve trial and error and leading by example rather than getting completely immersed in Marxist theory while continuing to live by punching a clock or collecting a salary?

Me? You're not gonna jump to conclusions on me, buddy. I'm all about the materialism I just think I should be able to survive on my own off of the gulags as well as having my mental health taken care of. You know, live in a system where the laborers that they exploit get to have enjoyable lives as well rather than over worked and over stressed hells by a system that doesn't really give a **** about you or what you put in while actively trying to keep you in the gulags.

I appreciate the lectures on accountability though.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by elphenor

read the Manifesto

you ask questions that you'd know the answer to already

though there is not to be a "global order", the rejection of capitalism is to be global

how about just answer the question instead of deflecting

[jwb]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Me? You're not gonna jump to conclusions on me, buddy. I'm all about the materialism I just think I should be able to survive on my own off of the gulags as well as having my mental health taken care of. You know, live in a system where the laborers that they exploit get to have enjoyable lives as well rather than over worked and over stressed hells by a system that doesn't really give a **** about you or what you put in while actively trying to keep you in the gulags.

I appreciate the lectures on accountability though.

It's a simple question of logistics. The fact that you can't answer it is on you.

[DwnWthVwls]

Originally Posted by jwb

Ok so communism is global. So I guess that applies to the anarchist version too, even though it's sorta impossible for me to imagine a global anarchist order.

But then do you honestly believe the entire world is gonna be converted at once? Wouldn't living in a commune be more equitable than a low wage corporate job, and help you at least learn things about managing that kind of dynamic more than continuing to punch a clock will?

In other words... Are you sure that a better path to your goal doesn't involve trial and error and leading by example rather than getting completely immersed in Marxist theory while continuing to live by punching a clock or collecting a salary?

What goal? They dont have goals.. They just sit here complaining about stuff and how things should be with no consideration for how the world actually works or attempts to make change in the areas their societal positions allow them to affect. It's a dog and pony show... no better than our presidential candidates.

[The Batlord]

Honestly I think you're just too autistic to understand ennui or something.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by jwb

how about just answer the question instead of deflecting

If you haven’t read the Communist Manifesto he’s not deflecting. He’s giving you guidance so you can communicate as a peer with people who are educated on the matter. If you haven’t read Marx we can’t discuss Marxism.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

What goal? They dont have goals.. They just sit here complaining about stuff and how things should be with no consideration for how the world actually works or attempts to make change in the areas their societal positions allow them to affect. It's a dog and pony show... no better than our presidential candidates.

TFW you discover JWB is a street version of DWV.

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by jwb

It's a simple question of logistics. The fact that you can't answer it is on you.

The question assumes I want communism. I can't answer a question assuming I want something that I don't.

But probably. I imagine a commune would work a lot differently from a communist government because scale and etc., but getting some sort of sample of what it'd be like couldn't hurt. Though, I don't think they can really cause any sort of change from inside a commune. If they want to change anything they have to play the capitalist game.