The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Anteater

Except the stats I quoted cover people above that threshold too. That's why the number is 1.8 million as opposed to 550 thousand (the 550k being people at minimum wage or below: 1.8 million covers people above that threshold going up to at least 20 dollars an hour)

Thinking that the federal minimum wage goes up to 20 dollars an hour seems pretty out of touch. You should read your own sources:

In 2017, 80.4 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.3 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 542,000 workers earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.3 million had wages below the federal minimum. Together, these 1.8 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 2.3 percent of all hourly paid workers.

[The Batlord]

He definitely doesn't know his employees' names.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Thinking that the federal minimum wage goes up to 20 dollars an hour seems pretty out of touch. You should read your own sources:

Or he could get JWB to read it to him.

[Anteater]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

It said "exactly" minimum wage. And below.

And out of the 80.4 million people being paid any kind of hourly rate, that's 2.3% (or less) of the total. And that's still only a chunk of the total U.S. population. Those 80 million represent (supposedly) around 58.3 of all salaried workers in the United States. So let's say the ultimate grand total (taking that number into consideration) is 160 million or so.

The idea that 42% of that can't afford insurance and pay bills or whatever doesn't add up when you look at those statistics.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Anteater

And out of the 80.4 million people being paid any kind of hourly rate, that's 2.3% (or less) of the total. And that's still only a chunk of the total U.S. population. Those 80 million represent (supposedly) around 58.3 of all salaried workers in the United States. So let's say the ultimate grand total (taking that number into consideration) is 160 million or so.

Wait, so 170 million Americans are unemployed or paid under the table (which usually means less than minimum wage)?

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Anteater

And out of the 80.4 million people being paid any kind of hourly rate, that's 2.3% (or less) of the total. And that's still only a chunk of the total U.S. population. Those 80 million represent (supposedly) around 58.3 of all salaried workers in the United States. So let's say the ultimate grand total (taking that number into consideration) is 160 million or so.

The idea that 42% of that can't afford insurance and pay bills or whatever doesn't add up when you look at those statistics.

I make eight ****ing dollars an hour. That statistic does not include me. I can not afford an apartment, food, and, insurance. I am not an outlier. And if you could refrain from giving me disingenuous "advice" to distract from the point that would be great.

[Anteater]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Wait, so 160 million Americans are unemployed or paid under the table (which usually means less than minimum wage)?

No, there's 170-ish million people on some kind of salary or hour wage if the 80 million cited represents around 58% of all salaried workers. Out of those, only 1.8 million (as noted) are at or below the federal minimum wage. That's not a lot compared to the whole working population.

Originally Posted by The Batlord

I make eight ****ing dollars an hour. That statistic does not include me. I can not afford an apartment, food, and, insurance. I am not an outlier. And if you could refrain from giving me disingenuous "advice" to distract from the point that would be great.

If your already applying to different places then there's no advice I could give you that you wouldn't sneer at anyway. I've covered this topic before with practical advice so there's no point in going over it again.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by elphenor

there can't be a "other side" that's the point

that's why the Soviet and old Chinese model was doomed to fail in terms of human rights

There's always another side until you kill everyone but you.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Anteater

No, there's a 160-ish million people on some kind of salary or hour wage if the 80 million cited represents around 58% of all salaried workers. Out of those, only 1.8 million (as noted) are at or below the federal minimum wage. That's not a lot compared to the whole working population.

So they're just a minority which means that they don't matter, cool.

What about the 170 million people who fall outside of that working population? Are they also reaping the benefits of capitalism?

[jwb]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Wait, so 170 million Americans are unemployed or paid under the table (which usually means less than minimum wage)?

not necessarily

That's more so for immigrants who get exploited

My dad worked under the table his whole life and he made decent money for a while. It's just a matter of not wanting to create a legal business and assume the costs that go with that

My mom also hustled on the side cleaning rich people's houses. Also better paying than your average low end wage slave job.