Indecision 2008 -what do you think????? (country, house, member, shows)

~~Farfisa~~ · 06-23-2008, 06:10 PM

I'm not telling!!

TheBig3 · 06-30-2008, 01:54 PM

People who think the RPR is a brilliant thing aren't really aware of Governments role or function in daily life.

The more I read, the more I find out that capitalist economics works brilliantly, but not for everything. I was reading this weekend about how it works in regard to Farming (Whats the Matter with Kansas, Thomas Frank) and government regulations simply need to be in place (as in the New Deal). You simply need some form of larger hand to make sure things are in order. I'm not calling for socialism because we shouldn't restrain because of emotional sensitivity but agriculture and health care simply cannot function in the traditional roles of government.

bsmix · 07-01-2008, 04:16 PM

I actually never looked into what Ron Paul is all about. But I really liked his feelings on why the U.S. is "hated". At one of the nomination debates I remember, he was saying that we are not liked because of our imperialistic ways; from our long history of covert operations in countries all over the world to our widespread military bases and unnecessary wars. It felt like a glimmer of truth or genuine thought coming through all the crap. And of course everyone literally laughed at him and each took turns trying to discount what he had said and spout their "truth", as the assclown guiliani literally said they hate us because of our freedom.
I guess what he is saying might seem a bit out there but that's the extent I got into Ron Paul. It's important to have independent voices and thoughts within the government (while still representing the feelings and will of the people).

Inuzuka Skysword · 07-01-2008, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bsmix

I actually never looked into what Ron Paul is all about. But I really liked his feelings on why the U.S. is "hated". At one of the nomination debates I remember, he was saying that we are not liked because of our imperialistic ways; from our long history of covert operations in countries all over the world to our widespread military bases and unnecessary wars. It felt like a glimmer of truth or genuine thought coming through all the crap. And of course everyone literally laughed at him and each took turns trying to discount what he had said and spout their "truth", as the assclown guiliani literally said they hate us because of our freedom.
I guess what he is saying might seem a bit out there but that's the extent I got into Ron Paul. It's important to have independent voices and thoughts within the government (while still representing the feelings and will of the people).

Exactly. Ron Paul is the only libertarian candidate that has a chance at all of winning.

TheBig3 · 07-02-2008, 10:28 PM

Well I don't know if thats a direct translation but its not far off. Every survivalist, and anarchist, libertarian, and communist, Trotskyite and child in a fight with his father want Ron Paul.

I guess my question is, and your statement begs this, why does a stronger government equate to less freedom?

And please don't pull that pubescent bull**** and say "well I never said it did" cause you did. Stronger government from where Ron Paul sits actually increases freedoms by a large amount in my opinion. I'd like you to show me how I'm wrong.

~~The Unfan~~ · 07-03-2008, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

And please don't pull that pubescent bull**** and say "well I never said it did" cause you did. Stronger government from where Ron Paul sits actually increases freedoms by a large amount in my opinion. I'd like you to show me how I'm wrong.

The government can't actually grant you freedoms, only limit them. A freedom is the lack of restraint of something. You're free to eat ice cream because there is no restriction on eating ice cream, not because there is specifically a law that states you're permitted to do so.

bsmix · 07-02-2008, 10:58 PM

reservoir dogs?

Cecilia · 07-05-2008, 11:30 AM

I would love to see Nader just be like, "WHABAM I just ruined your two party system." But I think it'd take a much worse democratic candidate for that to happen.

I'll end up voting for Obama (assuming I can vote... I'll be in London at the time of the election) because I'm way over this Republican thing. Bush hasn't done anything productive with the country and he's completely ruined what little faith I had in the Republican party. If he miraculously turned his **** around, I'd consider McCain for about two seconds before I'd question my own sanity.

lucifer_sam · 07-06-2008, 05:27 PM

Although I don't pretend to be a political science major, I know a few things about the workings of government, and I hate to say it, but the system which we live under isn't working. America is still the largest economy in the world, but China is fast approaching, and the national debt and trade deficit grows larger every day. This is a glaring problem which has only been exacerbated by President Bush's misguided ideas. I understand that there are many, MANY reasons for the economic recession we're in now and that the war in Iraq is a only a fraction of its cause, but it remains a dire problem.

I think many young Americans (like myself) feel ostracized by an aging veteran like Senator McCain, especially considering his views regarding the war in Iraq. I admire him for his service to this country, but we're electing a President, not a pope. As a global energy crisis looms on the horizon, our country will need someone capable and cogent enough to handle it with intelligence and fair judgment. I believe that Senator Obama is able to meet these needs.

angel_from_your_nightmare · 07-07-2008, 01:07 PM

Bob Barr not on the list? WTF? lol

So i'm leaning Obama simply because he has a more modern, realistic view of the world and where it is heading. McCain will do a good job keeping America America but I believe Obama will help America transition into the next era of our world. We're living in a post post-WWII world and Obama realizes that. McCain does not and will not take our country in the direction the future requires.

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06-30-2008, 01:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,246	People who think the RPR is a brilliant thing aren't really aware of Governments role or function in daily life. The more I read, the more I find out that capitalist economics works brilliantly, but not for everything. I was reading this weekend about how it works in regard to Farming (Whats the Matter with Kansas, Thomas Frank) and government regulations simply need to be in place (as in the New Deal). You simply need some form of larger hand to make sure things are in order. I'm not calling for socialism because we shouldn't restrain because of emotional sensitivity but agriculture and health care simply cannot function in the traditional roles of government. __________________ I've moved to a new address

07-01-2008, 04:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
bsmix Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: California Posts: 179	I actually never looked into what Ron Paul is all about. But I really liked his feelings on why the U.S. is "hated". At one of the nomination debates I remember, he was saying that we are not liked because of our imperialistic ways; from our long history of covert operations in countries all over the world to our widespread military bases and unnecessary wars. It felt like a glimmer of truth or genuine thought coming through all the crap. And of course everyone literally laughed at him and each took turns trying to discount what he had said and spout their "truth", as the assclown guiliani literally said they hate us because of our freedom. I guess what he is saying might seem a bit out there but that's the extent I got into Ron Paul. It's important to have independent voices and thoughts within the government (while still representing the feelings and will of the people). __________________ a music nazi....is still a nazi

07-02-2008, 10:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,246	Well I don't know if thats a direct translation but its not far off. Every survivalist, and anarchist, libertarian, and communist, Trotskyite and child in a fight with his father want Ron Paul. I guess my question is, and your statement begs this, why does a stronger government equate to less freedom? And please don't pull that pubescent bull**** and say "well I never said it did" cause you did. Stronger government from where Ron Paul sits actually increases freedoms by a large amount in my opinion. I'd like you to show me how I'm wrong. __________________ I've moved to a new address

07-02-2008, 10:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
bsmix Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: California Posts: 179	reservoir dogs? __________________ a music nazi....is still a nazi

06-23-2008, 06:10 PM	#1 (permalink)
~~Farfisa~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,773	I'm not telling!!

07-05-2008, 11:30 AM	#8 (permalink)
Cecilia Groupie Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: California Posts: 3	I would love to see Nader just be like, "WHABAM I just ruined your two party system." But I think it'd take a much worse democratic candidate for that to happen. I'll end up voting for Obama (assuming I can vote... I'll be in London at the time of the election) because I'm way over this Republican thing. Bush hasn't done anything productive with the country and he's completely ruined what little faith I had in the Republican party. If he miraculously turned his **** around, I'd consider McCain for about two seconds before I'd question my own sanity.

07-06-2008, 05:27 PM	#9 (permalink)
lucifer_sam Unrepentant Ass-Mod Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,921	Although I don't pretend to be a political science major, I know a few things about the workings of government, and I hate to say it, but the system which we live under isn't working. America is still the largest economy in the world, but China is fast approaching, and the national debt and trade deficit grows larger every day. This is a glaring problem which has only been exacerbated by President Bush's misguided ideas. I understand that there are many, MANY reasons for the economic recession we're in now and that the war in Iraq is a only a fraction of its cause, but it remains a dire problem. I think many young Americans (like myself) feel ostracized by an aging veteran like Senator McCain, especially considering his views regarding the war in Iraq. I admire him for his service to this country, but we're electing a President, not a pope. As a global energy crisis looms on the horizon, our country will need someone capable and cogent enough to handle it with intelligence and fair judgment. I believe that Senator Obama is able to meet these needs. __________________ first.am

07-07-2008, 01:07 PM	#10 (permalink)
angel_from_your_nightmare Groupie Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 13	Bob Barr not on the list? WTF? lol So i'm leaning Obama simply because he has a more modern, realistic view of the world and where it is heading. McCain will do a good job keeping America America but I believe Obama will help America transition into the next era of our world. We're living in a post post-WWII world and Obama realizes that. McCain does not and will not take our country in the direction the future requires.