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View Poll Results: Who will it be?
Obama 42 79.25%
McCain 5 9.43%
**** you RezZ, I'm not telling you! 6 11.32%
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Old 06-21-2008, 04:06 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Technically nothing. But you asked this question knowing what my answer was going to be. The black stereotype is what most people think when presented with the question of a black man becoming president.

It just strikes me funny when you turn on the TV and constantly see stars talking about "black pride, black culture, black personality, black style" yet never mentioning that you dont have to be any of those to be black.

I have to go to work but will continue this later.
Wait, so you were saying he was less black because he didn't fit the black stereotype?

How does him being educated and coherent make him any less?

I don't think its those TV personalities intention of making a line between who's black and who's not, just informing you to be proud of the fact you are.

I don't celebrate the liberation of Denmark from the Nazi's on the 5th of May every year, this doesn't make me any less of a citizen there.
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Old 06-21-2008, 04:51 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Obama, he's such a fluent and well organized speaker....That's what this world needs
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Old 06-21-2008, 06:34 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I don't celebrate the liberation of Denmark from the Nazi's on the 5th of May every year, this doesn't make me any less of a citizen there.
OO I celebrate that every year with some Coronas or tequila.

Damn we can't see who voted for mccain.

Obama is not the stereotype of any group, which is why I like him. His words sound genuine most of the time, the opposite of McCain who sounds completely fake to me since he won the nomination. I can't wait for the debates...
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Old 06-21-2008, 07:30 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Both pretty much fail, but it really doesn't matter because my 18th birthday is about 2 or so days after Election Day. .

If I had to pick I'd say Obama. He's pulled in more than half the amount of money from his campaign than McCain has. Plus he's not a conservative. woooo.
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Old 06-21-2008, 08:12 PM   #15 (permalink)
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McCain isn't much of a conservative either. He is a Republican but he isn't very conservative.

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John McCain: Liberal In Disguise
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Over the past three decades, America in some respects has moved slightly to the Right. Although conservatives have not yet won the wars on political correctness, education, and culture, Americans nevertheless are now more skeptical than they were thirty years ago of big government, high taxes, entitlements, judicial activism and secularism. In these areas, conservatives have proven most successful. The word "liberal" has become a bad word in most states, and consequently many leftists hesitate to label themselves as leftists.

In many states it now rings popular to call oneself a conservative, even if one truly resembles a liberal. As with any popular movement, dilution occurs, opportunists blow with the wind, and pretenders abound. John McCain is one of these pretenders. He is a leftist in disguise, using his popularity and charisma to masque his liberal leanings. In reality, McCain resides as far to the Left as John Kerry. Anyone who thinks otherwise deludes himself.

McCain has most feigned conservatism in his militarism. McCain, a Vietnam veteran, is hawkish and patriotic. These attributes support his political stump. As long as he can play the veteran card and remain pro-war, he can downplay all his other shortcomings. Appearing hawkish, however, does not necessarily constitute conservatism. (Recent history shows that leftists can be militaristic too: Stalin, Mao, Castro). Military force always will remain crucial in many cases, but willingness to use it does not incontrovertibly make one a conservative.

And when one gets beyond McCain's bellicism, his true liberal character crops up. Outside martial matters, McCain sides with the American Left on most key issues. The greatest irony of McCain's masquerade is that he packages himself as a principled conservative, one with character, who rises above partisan politics. In reality, however, he is as disingenuous as the Clintons and presently bends whichever the way the wind blows to bolster himself for 2008. Analyze him issue by issue.

First, regarding religion, McCain looms as no lover of Christians. Recall his comments about key religious leaders in 2000, calling them "agents of intolerance." And McCain's vitriolic vilification of Christians was not limited to a single occurrence, for he later said, "I must not and will not retract anything that I said in that speech at Virginia Beach. It was carefully crafted, it was carefully thought out." (Hardball, 3/1/00). More recently, however, McCain, positioning himself for 2008, has repackaged himself as pro-Christian, lauding key religious leaders and duping the devout. (Is this not as reptilian as Bill Clinton's waffling?)

Second, on the issue of *** marriage, in 2005 McCain opposed a federal ***-marriage ban (Los Angeles Times, 1/25/ and 3/8). Now, however, likely realizing that most Americans think otherwise, McCain says he supports a ***-marriage ban (Meet the Press, 4/2/06). Which is it? Given his penchant for progressive politics, we can only assume the former.

Then, regarding abortion, McCain most certainly is pro-choice. In the San Francisco Chronicle (8/20/99) McCain sided with the pro-abortion camp, suggesting that overturning Roe v. Wade would lead to illegal abortions. Realizing, however, that he could not inveigle the GOP nomination with such views, McCain more recently has resold himself as pro-life, even saying he would support the South Dakota ban on abortions. What are Americans to believe? He either is pro-choice or lacks any real conviction on the subject.

Furthermore, regarding campaign-finance reform, the McCain-Feingold Campaign Reform Act is perhaps one of the more left-wing acts of Congress in the past twenty years. As recently exposed by Brian C. Anderson, "The Plot to Shush Rush and O'Reilly" in City Journal, McCain-Feingold (which passed with overwhelming Democrat support) is a convenient contrivance to silence conservatives. As noted by a whole host of commentators (George Will, Jonathan Rauch, and even Justice Clarence Thomas), this act poses blatant restrictions on political speech. It especially affects AM Radio and political internet blogs -- the only two spheres of popular media where conservatives can truly compete. Critics remain divided why McCain supported a dictate so damaging to conservatives. Was it perhaps so that he could silence many on the Right whom he laconically loathes?

Last, but not least, McCain's liberal tendencies show in the immigration debate. McCain has proven to be farther Left on the immigration issue than even many Liberals. At the very basis of most conservative thought is the idea of law and order, which are essential for the continuity of society. Bypassing tradition and sanity, and slapping in the face those who have come here legally, McCain has sought to sweep aside law and order to engage in the unbecoming business of pandering to ethnicities. (Isn't this the dominion of Democrats?) McCain's radical views on immigration threaten numerous components of the wellbeing of the United States and, more generally, Western Civilization: national security, standards of living, and cultural homogeneity, to name a few. McCain has courted the cheap-labor lobby for some fast cash for 2008 and now attempts to convert the U.S. into a third-world country.

McCain's liberal laundry list goes on and on. Senator Lindsey Graham, another liberal in disguise, comments correctly that the present is a defining moment for the Republican Party, although his underlying analysis is wrong. The choice is between a party of McCain's vision, a party indistinguishable from the Democratic Party, or a party that at least maintains a modicum of conservatism. If McCain loses, hopefully he will depart for the Democratic Party (where he belongs); but if he wins, expect to see a mass exodus of conservative voters from the GOP, probably over to a third party.
My vote is going for McCain anyway. I am a Republican, but more than that I am a Patriot. I see my country falling apart and feel that we need a president that is more toward the center to bring us back together. We need to stay away from right and left wing and find a leader that is in the middle. I believe that McCain is the best option for that. He has shown that he supports the values of both sides and I believe that he can return us to the direction that we need to go.
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Old 06-21-2008, 08:26 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Both pretty much fail, but it really doesn't matter because my 18th birthday is about 2 or so days after Election Day. .

If I had to pick I'd say Obama. He's pulled in more than half the amount of money from his campaign than McCain has. Plus he's not a conservative. woooo.
Why do they fail?

And considering what we called a conservative in 2004, I'm going to agree with Predator and say McCain isn't a conservative either.

Still I'm going with Obama, despite his less than exceptional positions on things like the Capitol Gains Tax. He's got more of a diplomatic edge to him. I was reading in Newsweek (this month with Chruchhill on the cover) that the best foreign policy leaders were ones who wanted diplomacy but were not afraid to use force. Or threaten in convincingly.

McCain is an all of nothing kind of guy, he opposed our air strikes in Serbia because we didn't also send in ground troops. He correctly supports the surge, but incorrectly advocates for the invasion of Iran, although recent commentary about economic withdrawal might save face.

McCain has a Charter school mentality when it comes to education and I feel strongly that Charter schools give way to a new American class system, one that deprives people of social mobility.

McCain also supports offshore drilling which will do nothing but screw our marine waters. And worst of all he's kowtowed to the religious and neo-conservative right where he once stood in brilliant opposition.

And I love Obama's constant channeling of Jack Kennedy where in he cribs Kennedy's "we should never negotiate out of fear, but we should never fear to negotiate."

Well, those are my reasonings. As for Rezz, that might be one of the more ignorant things I've read on here.

What you're suggesting is that all Blacks are uneducated and can't speak...is that your implication?
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Old 06-21-2008, 08:42 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I agree that anything too radical is a bad idea. The pendulum is pulled down, but won't stop there though. People are sprinting from the right. And you are right about his militarism (or whatever it should be called) not being necessarily conservative. He believes vast amounts of money should continue to be spent for the war in Iraq.. for possibly the next hundred years did he say? When that money could be used to fix the things here and prevent the "country from falling apart". But honestly I was happy that McCain won the republican nomination.
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Why do they fail?
Maybe for lack of a better term. I'm just not very impressed by either.
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Maybe for lack of a better term. I'm just not very impressed by either.
Well what don't you like about them?
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Maybe for lack of a better term. I'm just not very impressed by either.
Well what don't you like about them? The economist says this is America at its best. Surely they must have some credibility.
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