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Old 11-30-2010, 01:36 AM   #561 (permalink)
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Science never claimed the world was flat. Science is based on scientific methods and criterias like hypothesis testing which wasn't really formulated back then. People didn't believe those things because because they were based on science and so you can't just attribute any non-religious idea people have had about our world in the past to science.
Science/scientific method/physiology/biology/split tailed t-tests/within one standard deviation/etc once claimed that traction was good for a bone fracture.

Turns out it is the worst thing for a fracture. Bones need stress to respond with bone growth/ healing. So the very attribute that gives science the "higher ground" is the attribute that schould be looked at more closely. Namely, that we go with the best explanation until a better one comes along. If there has been no evidence to date that satisfies you. just say that. Don't try to argue down people who have had evidence that satisfies them.

After all, who really knows? The most accurate thing we can say is that we are just creepy monkeys and our logic and evidence gathering methods are inherently flawed.
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Old 11-30-2010, 07:04 AM   #562 (permalink)
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Thanks. I did look it up but I couldn't find the right word.
Now that you mention it: I should've known
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Old 11-30-2010, 10:55 AM   #563 (permalink)
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Science/scientific method/physiology/biology/split tailed t-tests/within one standard deviation/etc once claimed that traction was good for a bone fracture.

Turns out it is the worst thing for a fracture. Bones need stress to respond with bone growth/ healing. So the very attribute that gives science the "higher ground" is the attribute that schould be looked at more closely. Namely, that we go with the best explanation until a better one comes along. If there has been no evidence to date that satisfies you. just say that. Don't try to argue down people who have had evidence that satisfies them.

After all, who really knows? The most accurate thing we can say is that we are just creepy monkeys and our logic and evidence gathering methods are inherently flawed.
Unfortunately, "science" never "claims" anything. "Science" develops theories, and the only reason we hold theories to be true is because they have yet to be falsified. Should some physicist discover tomorrow that gravity is not a universal constant (or some crazy thing), "science" would gladly throw everything it's "claimed" about our universe over the last several hundred years out the window.
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:51 PM   #564 (permalink)
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i'm agnostic because i have thought so deep to realize organized religion is a sham .
You (think?) religion is a sham.......you dont know. its ok to think,,,,but dont act like you know when youre not a believer. You can never know thought if you think that way
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:55 PM   #565 (permalink)
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And that's the second posting by Jordan about God.
Please talk about music man. That's what you're supposed to be here for.
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:06 PM   #566 (permalink)
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i love music actually but this is a forum about whether or not god is real......but what kind of music do you like
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:15 PM   #567 (permalink)
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I'm sorry but I'm really bothered by postings like this one.
You have only one posting and this is the only thing you have to say?
I also got a friend invitation from someone who had four postings. All four postings were trying to convince people to believe in God.
Don't try to impose your belief on me or on any of us. That really makes me angry.
That's one thing I dislike about beliefs.

Come on people! This is a music forum and to me, music is the highest power.
Y does me saying that you have to accept gods possibility to belive in him make you mad. ITs true. the same way you have to accept the possibility the christopher columbus dicsovered america to believe its true or not. You have to weigh the options when you are deciding if something is true. Am i wrong in that? Im not pushing my beliefs on ne one and apologize if you take it that way. This is just my opinion. This forum is about whether or not god is real and i am just trying to show you where im coming from cuz i want you to feel like i do. But i will not push it on ne one
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:43 PM   #568 (permalink)
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IF any one has a question for a christian BRING ITTTTTT!!!!!! Just kidding but seriously if someone truly wants to know what i think and not attack me ill do my best to honestly answer.....and not force anything on anybody
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Old 12-01-2010, 10:34 PM   #569 (permalink)
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Do you believe Gandhi is burning in hell because he didn't profess his faith to Christianity?
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Old 12-02-2010, 12:45 AM   #570 (permalink)
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Y does me saying that you have to accept gods possibility to belive in him make you mad. ITs true. the same way you have to accept the possibility the christopher columbus dicsovered america to believe its true or not. You have to weigh the options when you are deciding if something is true. Am i wrong in that? Im not pushing my beliefs on ne one and apologize if you take it that way. This is just my opinion. This forum is about whether or not god is real and i am just trying to show you where im coming from cuz i want you to feel like i do. But i will not push it on ne one
I agree that from the basic point of view, almost any assumption can be true. For example, you should accept the possibility that God exists and you should accept the possibility that God doesn't exist. Generally speaking, if two such assumptions about our world are in direct opposition like the example is (it would be hard to believe that God does and does not exist at the same time), then you should have some criteria which help you pick one over the other.

Much of science is based on such criterias for what can be "true" or not. You have principles like empirical testing to support statements about our world and you have general principles like the law of parsimony which says that when faced with two conflicting hypothesis, the one whose acceptance requires the least amount of new assumptions about our world (sometimes called most "simple") is the preferred hypothesis, not because it has to be true, but because the chances of accepting a hypothesis about our world which is not true is smaller.

I have a real problem with people who seem to have no criteria or who seem to have them, but they're probably along the lines of "I'll believe whatever makes me feel good" or "I'll believe in what I think is most exciting". In my opinion, people should want to have a belief about our world which is as close to the truth as possible. People who don't feel that way should be kept from littering the minds of children. In Norway, I'd like to see critical thinking and criterias for what we should accept as truth or not taught in schools at an early age.
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